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Sakakibara Yui - Refrain

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KaedekaShizuru
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2016年3月19日 星期六 at 15:09:43

Artist: Sakakibara Yui
Title: Refrain
Source: 夏空カナタ
Tags: Natsuzora Kanata Kousaka Chihaya galgame eroge ending yuzu soft ゆずソフト tsukuyomi baldrace
BPM: 136
Filesize: 18081kb
Play Time: 05:12
Difficulties Available:
  1. Kanata (3.79 stars, 686 notes)
Download: Sakakibara Yui - Refrain
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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#8
ゆず作と言えるのは、夏カナまでだ!
True Yuzu has gone with Natsuzora Kanata and never coming back !

My 2nd APP
Collab with Tsukuyomi
Hitsound by me.
Storyboard by me and thanks to yf_bmp for his effects supports.
←Cute Chihaya gif made by Sakuya Minagami
Lyric+BK

リフレイン
作詞:kaia(Angel Note)
作曲:Famishin(ゆずソフト)
編曲:伊福部武史
歌:榊原ゆい

よせては返す波の音 空響く
どこまでも 続く海

それはまるで終わらない夢のように
記憶の中を廻る

何度もあなた探し 出逢い別れていくの

人は皆優しくされて 愛することを知るの


今 はるかな海に 包まれて
ここで 生まれ変わる
目が覚めたら ずっと そばにいる
未来が 呼んでいるよ


そっとそっと壊さないよう抱いて
いつまでも 続く夏

誰かのために消えてゆく命を
けして忘れはしない

幾つも痛み越えて 幸せの扉開く

人は皆 愛することで 自分のことを知るの


今 あなたの腕に 包まれて
わたし 生まれ変わる
目を閉じて 感じられる想い
ひとつに 結ばれてる


今 はるかな海に 包まれて
ここで 生まれ変わる
目が覚めたら ずっと そばにいる
未来が 呼んでいるよ


今 あなたの腕に 包まれて
わたし 生まれ変わる
目を閉じて 感じられる想い
信じてる 永遠を…

Collab Part
00:00:490 - 00:14:607 :KaedekaShizuru
00:16:372 - 00:44:166 :Tsukuyomi
00:44:607 - 02:19:681 :KaedekaShizuru
02:19:901 - 03:51:776 :Tsukuyomi
03:53:431 - 04:21:445 :KaedekaShizuru
04:21:666 - 04:51:666 :Tsukuyomi
04:52:548 - 05:12:842 :KaedekaShizuru

Some discuss with QAT about storyboard material LOG
20:04 KaedekaShizuru: Hi Bakari-san~ Happy Spring Festival
20:05 KaedekaShizuru: I have a question that , do you feel this NSFW ? I want use this in storyboard
20:05 KaedekaShizuru: https://yande.re/post/show/10036
20:05 Bakari: Hello! Thank you
20:10 Bakari: The dress isn't transparent and nothing explicit shows up
20:10 Bakari: It's fine, I suppose
20:10 KaedekaShizuru: OK thank you
20:11 Bakari: No problem :)
20:11 KaedekaShizuru: I'm not sure the bra has little revealing...
20:13 KaedekaShizuru: hmm, good luck to myself and holp other QATs don't care about this
20:13 Bakari: Let me make sure, I'll poke some GMT guys
20:13 KaedekaShizuru: waiting for you
20:15 Bakari: Got 2 GMTs and they were fine with this
20:15 KaedekaShizuru: thank you
20:15 KaedekaShizuru: 恭贺新年
20:15 KaedekaShizuru: happy spring festival~
20:16 Bakari: Thank you, you too! :)
Kinomi
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my wife
Sakuya Minagami

Tsukuyomi wrote:

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my wife
:roll: Chihaya is mine! :xNot Yours!.....and, that's looks like....a curse...
flac_old
恭喜大佬完坑(手动鼓掌)
Narcissu
一點整體的建議

AR8對這個星級的圖來說很正常,但是你的節奏稀的慘不忍睹,非單點部分同一個時間平均不到兩個物件……作為全局的設定建議降,更建議的是remap 所有節奏稀疏的部分而保持AR8。你當前的節奏不僅僅無聊而且重複EX,連同幾個梗像烤肉的00:20:784 (3,4,5,6,1) - 低弧度單點,你的01:18:137 (4,5,6) - 折返連起來超過20次,有擺梗並且重複使用的想法是好事,對於一個長圖來說實在顯得陳腐而沒有誠意。

然後是SV,這個SV連我家Normal 都不如,給人看上去像1.0*的鈍角單點顯示界面都是2.5* 打圖的直觀感受就是從滑條到單點非常突兀,要小心翼翼的點每一個物件,混搭不同時值的讀圖壓力根本就不是“閉上眼睛享受音樂”而是“睜大雙眼死盯縮圈”,我建議把SV從0.5-1.15增加到1-1.6,平均1.4作為Hard的標配最符合正常人的打圖習慣(1.4SV下1/2滑條正好自己和自己相切)

節奏上一些建議就是不要跟聲音不要跟軌,而是跟隨整體的感覺。01:25:195 (5,6,7) - 這種也只有打開edit看圖的人才會知道哦哦是三個鼓,鼓毫無存在感好嗎,歌給人的感覺是平緩沒有起伏,所以這邊斷斷續續的節奏是不合曲的,要麼全1/1,要麼全1/2。

然後是上面提過的低弧度五單點和3/4滑條00:25:195 (1) - ,和歌八竿子打不到一起還一直用,老麻婆作圖不要擺了個梗看上去舒服抱著反正有人會覺得神的心態就往死裏複製粘貼,多學習新人的靈活多變have fun。另外擺梗的話我覺得windows自帶的畫圖軟件會比osu的edit功能要強大不少

雖然我的建議是全1/1或者1/2,目前兩者混搭的風格如果能配上合曲的跳點也是能讓人享受歌曲,填spacing的排列如01:17:034 (2) - DS 3-1.5,完美誤讀而且音樂沒有半點支撐,空掉的01:17:475 - 還有切分節奏的鋼琴,若不是我是看縮圈打圖估計就不只是UR狂飆了

總的講就是建議remap , 往“讓玩家享受音樂”的方面考慮,不要想到什麼塞什麼,長圖揉雜各種排列和距離會有樂趣一點不要一直填spacing,烤肉的kiai 能把SV拉上去還是很舒服的,你的kiai 和大鈍角04:04:019 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 簡直為了反人類而生
Kinomi
3/4是因为那边确实节奏是这么来的才这么摆,不然我也放个1/1。没加音效的问题吧听不出来。

至于那几个单点梗,我是感觉好看打着也没什么问题才这么摆,你可以说说你会怎么摆我参考下,确实脑洞没以前多了,能想到的也就五角星,间距逐渐放大的折返跳,随机跳之类的。
Lily Bread
testplay的时候以为是新人图。

漏音严重,比如 - 01:22:328 - 01:36:445 - ,不一个个找了

DS乱,1/1间距和1/2差不多大 - 01:23:431 (1,2,3,4) -
要么就把这1/1的间距弄得明显比1/2小来突出音乐,像你这样弄得差不多大,不知道你是怎么想的,在我看来是有点意义不明。
这种梗还反复出现...玩起来很难受。

我就水这点吧。觉得水仙说的没什么大问题。
Topic Starter
KaedekaShizuru

Tsukuyomi wrote:

3/4是因为那边确实节奏是这么来的才这么摆,不然我也放个1/1。没加音效的问题吧听不出来。
00:25:195 (1) - 我觉得水仙说的还是在理的 我把音效关了听只有在00:25:195有一声钢琴 00:25:637 这里要说有音也只是vocal
3/4嘛 说真的我是不会这么放
包括00:26:078 (3) 我都不会放

@Narcissu &Lily Bread
我倒是比较奇怪为什么你们会产生我做的是hard的错觉 又是为什么产生了这歌主体BPM真是136的错觉?
至于SV sorry 我自认对这种慢歌也算有点心得了 this is my style
顺便如果你们觉得无脑糊满就是好图的话 抱歉我无法认同
而且水仙君 我觉得你这mod里的理念跟在我眼中你的map style完全不搭边
你们真的好好听这歌了吗?
sodarose
感兴趣的萌新来围观

00:56:960 (5) - 这里的节奏建议这样下 http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4505644
05:00:931 (3) - 放远一点,感觉太近了

个人感觉目前的节奏对于水仙的“讓玩家享受音樂”来说是没问题的。我乐感不好不要打窝orz
但是我觉得慢sv不适宜连续的大间距跳。慢慢的享受音乐突然来一段连续的大跳会显得很突兀。建议斟酌修改某些跳的间距。不管如何04:04:019 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 这段我是强烈建议改掉的! 我第一pc在这里fail了
sodarose
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/88343 是同一个出处吧。为什么他写的是 Natsuzora Kanata orz
Topic Starter
KaedekaShizuru

sodarose wrote:

感兴趣的萌新来围观

00:56:960 (5) - 这里的节奏建议这样下 http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4505644 有道理 节奏按你的来
05:00:931 (3) - 放远一点,感觉太近了 OK听你的

个人感觉目前的节奏对于水仙的“讓玩家享受音樂”来说是没问题的。我乐感不好不要打窝orz
但是我觉得慢sv不适宜连续的大间距跳。慢慢的享受音乐突然来一段连续的大跳会显得很突兀。建议斟酌修改某些跳的间距。不管如何04:04:019 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 这段我是强烈建议改掉的! 我第一pc在这里fail了 我考虑了很长很长很长时间re了不知道多少次最终决定这么摆的 别的我再看看
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/88343 是同一个出处吧。为什么他写的是 Natsuzora Kanata orz
我沙皮这都能写错 fixed
thank you
Kamio Misuzu
00:25:195 (1,2) - 1/1slider
01:42:842 (6,7) - flow有点奇怪,ctrl g好点
02:19:901 (1,2) - 二连没必要。note去掉用1/1slider好点
02:48:137 (1,2) - ^
03:32:695 (2,3) - 离远点?
05:02:144 (1) - 偏了点貌似,往前移动1/8

美丽。GL :)
z1085684963
00:21:004 (4) - 这里没有音
00:25:195 (1) - 不如1/1滑条
00:42:181 (6) - 建议删
03:33:578 (6,7) - 1/6
03:44:607 (1) - 这里是1/2+1/4 1/4
04:08:431 (3) - 这里没有音这里没有音
04:09:754 (6) - 3/4(建议
05:02:144 (1) - 同楼上


说的好像自己的图打起来很爽一样,
是啊,挺跳也挺乱的
Kinomi
z1说的几个节奏改了下。
Topic Starter
KaedekaShizuru

Kamio Misuzu wrote:

01:42:842 (6,7) - flow有点奇怪,ctrl g好点 no thx
05:02:144 (1) - 偏了点貌似,往前移动1/8 不是貌似 是真偏了 fixed

美丽。GL :)

z1085684963 wrote:

04:08:431 (3) - 这里没有音这里没有音 这里真有音这里真有音这里真有音
04:09:754 (6) - 3/4(建议 no thx
05:02:144 (1) - 同楼上 fixed
感谢来摸 烤老板辛苦了
Kencho
[Kanata]

  • KaedekaShizuru
  1. 滑條為何這麼慢
  2. 00:08:431 (4) - 00:10:195 (8) - 00:11:960 (4) - 不如改成圓圈吧,順便跟琴音,忽略了真不好
  3. 00:09:313 (5) - 這裡順便NC一下
  4. 00:56:519 (3,4) - 間距有點太大了,不太適合,4可以疊在2的頭
  5. 01:02:916 (2) - 這flow怪怪的,可以ctrl+H一下然後再ctrl+G一下放回原位
  6. 01:14:387 - 不要忽略這裡
  7. 01:37:548 (1,2,3) - 小心間距,我建議2疊到1上然後3放到2原本的位置
  8. 04:01:151 - 有音

    Tsukuyomi
  9. 00:27:842 (3) - 這個位置其實沒有音,建議刪了,還能做到停頓效果,然後微調一下排列,把00:28:063 (4) - 放到00:27:401 (2) - 的尾巴
  10. 02:42:842 (1,2) - 有點太遠了
  11. 03:36:666 (3) - 用直線把,不然和後面的flow不太合
  12. 04:26:078 (3) - 換成1/4折返跟人聲啊
水了一貼
Kinomi
远的那个容我再想想
其他不改
ZZHBOY
04:05:784 (1,2,3,4) - 这几个顺时针转四五十度会让flow好不少吧
Topic Starter
KaedekaShizuru
重新考虑了前面几个的mod 改了不少地方
@zzb sorry我决定keep
many thanks and update
Koiyuki
  1. Just some complaints.
  2. My personal suggestions.
  3. Highly recommended.
  4. Unrankable, you have to fix it.

Kanata

  • yomi
  1. 00:25:195 (1) - 我觉得还是统一用1/2 slider
  2. 00:42:181 (6) - 这个note跟钢琴的话,是不是不加好一点?
    kksr
  3. 01:17:695 (4,6) - 01:31:813 (4,6) - 个人建议不要一会藏头一会藏尾,这才是真tm在dt下难读的地方,最好一段之内就统一一个位置藏,后面的也一样
  4. 01:39:313 (6,8) - 这个stack偏的远了
  5. 04:16:372 (6) - nc
讲道理我觉得sv太低了
我不是反对低sv,烤老板的其他图也sv低我也挺喜欢,我觉得这图的sv低的太过了……

别的也没啥硬伤,我可以给pass
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