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ZUN - Extend Ash ~ Hourai Victim

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Tenshi-nyan
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Sonntag, 20. Februar 2011 at 19:08:52

Artist: ZUN
Title: Extend Ash ~ Hourai Victim
Source: Touhou
Tags: Fujiwara no Mokou Keine Kamishirasawa Phoenix extra stage 0989596108 Imperishable Night
BPM: 156
Filesize: 3514kb
Play Time: 02:33
Difficulties Available:
  1. 596108's Taiko (4,94 stars, 996 notes)
  2. Easy (2,23 stars, 142 notes)
  3. Hard (4,85 stars, 314 notes)
  4. Lunatic (5 stars, 480 notes)
  5. Normal (3,88 stars, 210 notes)
Download: ZUN - Extend Ash ~ Hourai Victim
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Status
Easy ---> Done.
Normal ---> Done
Hard -----> Done
Lunatic ----> Done.
And a Taiko diff.

Mod me.
Torran
osu! Timing Help!
  • 1. BPM 156.025 , Offset 40
Starred~!
Sandpig
hi :D

(>'(oo)')> my mod <('(oo)'<)


Lunatic

oh, plz never try to follow the music with normal-sample, it hears bad ._.

00:53:872 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - I think the problem in this diff is: a little of it plays like Luntic, others are Hard
02:31:155 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) - ^

and I think the arrangement here is little random

plz spend more time on it if you love this song, and I'd like to suggest you make the map that you can play.


Hard

what I want to mention in this diff is, if a slider has more than 2 repeats( > 3 notes ), try not to end it on a red line. this kind of silder 01:01:562 (1) plays bad.

00:22:149 (4,1) - spacing
01:57:798 (4) - 1 more note
01:59:336 (6) - ^
02:00:874 (6) - ^
02:03:950 (4) - ^
02:05:488 (6) - ^
02:07:026 (5) - ^
02:31:155 (1,2) - I think the end of this map should be more exciting than this


Normal

00:19:842 - add a note
00:32:147 - add a note
01:33:862 (1,2,3,4) - it would be better if you make a pattern for them than just stacking
02:07:507 (1) - remove whistle
02:31:155 (3) - bad end ._.


that all 8-)
Topic Starter
Tenshi-nyan
SPOILER

Sandpig wrote:

hi :D

(>'(oo)')> my mod <('(oo)'<)


Lunatic

oh, plz never try to follow the music with normal-sample, it hears bad ._. So better all soft? I dunno really.

00:53:872 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - I think the problem in this diff is: a little of it plays like Luntic, others are Hard
02:31:155 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) - ^

Gonna take a closer look at other Lunatic ZUN maps and remap many parts of the map...

and I think the arrangement here is little random For the streams? Or of the entire map? O_o

plz spend more time on it if you love this song, and I'd like to suggest you make the map that you can play. I spent like 10 hours on that single diff T_T


Hard

what I want to mention in this diff is, if a slider has more than 2 repeats( > 3 notes ), try not to end it on a red line. this kind of silder 01:01:562 (1) plays bad. I don't think there are any of those in the map.

00:22:149 (4,1) - spacing
01:57:798 (4) - 1 more note
01:59:336 (6) - ^
02:00:874 (6) - ^
02:03:950 (4) - ^
02:05:488 (6) - ^
02:07:026 (5) - ^
02:31:155 (1,2) - I think the end of this map should be more exciting than this I can't really think of something good for this part. I want to avoid stream in Hard. Made it harder with more repeating sliders, but it might be hard to read IMO.


Normal

00:19:842 - add a note
00:32:147 - add a note
01:33:862 (1,2,3,4) - it would be better if you make a pattern for them than just stacking
02:07:507 (1) - remove whistle
02:31:155 (3) - bad end ._. I actually have to agree with this.

All fixed.


that all 8-)

Thanks for your mod - read the comments to it in the spoierbox pls.

I'll propably remap a couple (or maybe many) parts in my Lunatic diff - maybe some parts in hard too.
wmfchris
I don't heard any Mokou

since lunatic is under remapping, skipped.

[hard]
0:09:268 (1) down 1 grid
0:12:344 (1,2,3) left 1 grid
0:26:571 (2) spacing, right 3 grids
0:34:646 (4) up 1 grid
0:40:414 (1,2) right 1 grid
0:58:871 (3,4) right 1 grid
1:14:251 (2) left 1 grid
1:17:327 (1,2,3) off beat, the pattern should be somehow like this http://puu.sh/wBr
1:33:862 (5,6,7,8) down 1 grid
1:36:938 (7) right 1 grid, rearrange the later notes?
2:31:155 (1,2,3,4) imo it's not appropiate

[Normal]
no error with it, but try to make this easier or make another easier diff since this is 3.7 star...
Topic Starter
Tenshi-nyan
SPOILER

wmfchris wrote:

I don't heard any Mokou

since lunatic is under remapping, skipped.
[hard]
0:09:268 (1) down 1 grid
0:12:344 (1,2,3) left 1 grid
0:26:571 (2) spacing, right 3 grids
0:34:646 (4) up 1 grid
0:40:414 (1,2) right 1 grid
0:58:871 (3,4) right 1 grid
1:14:251 (2) left 1 grid
1:17:327 (1,2,3) off beat, the pattern should be somehow like this http://puu.sh/wBr
1:33:862 (5,6,7,8) down 1 grid
1:36:938 (7) right 1 grid, rearrange the later notes?
2:31:155 (1,2,3,4) imo it's not appropiate

mostly some minor spacing errors. So I take the rest of the map is OK then?

[Normal]
no error with it, but try to make this easier or make another easier diff since this is 3.7 star...
I believe the 1/4 sliders are at fault, but I don't want this map without them. Making an even easier map... meh.

Thank you for your mod.

Remapping Lunatic will take me some time, especially 'cause I'll be busy with upcoming exams. Expect it to be done by the end of next week.
thekillerhjkhjk
[general]

TIMING: BPM: 156.036
OFFSET: 30
dont forget to resnap!
all sound-changing timing sections MUST be at least 1/4 beat before any note they are meant to change.
in the case of two notes being 1/4 beat apart, and only one is to change, 1/8 may be used.

you may need to cut down the mp3 to get rid of all of that unused time

[insane]
00:10:037 (1,2,3) - the amount of repeats in these sliders is counter-intuitive and just about impossible to predict. please change
00:16:189 (1,2) - same with this to a lesser extent. for this one, just take away one repeat from (1), bring (2) back and give it one more repeat
00:37:530 (3) - stack on the end of (1) better
00:53:872 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - this is a bit of an issue, as the music has 1/8's, but your stream is 1/4. i recommend replacing it with one slider, 1/8 beat in length, repeating until the desired time. Also, make the volume slowly increase from 0 to the desired volume along it.
01:02:908 (4) - even out the slider
01:14:636 (4) - stack the end of this slider on (1)
01:15:213 (1) - this spinner is too short. all spinners MUST be long enough for AUTO to get bonus 2000 on it.
01:43:090 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - replace this with a 1/8 repeating slider
01:56:356 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - replace this with the following
- 01:56:356 one note here
- 01:56:452 one note here
- 01:56:548 a 1/8 repeating slider until 01:56:933

02:31:155 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) - delete notes 14, 15, 16 and 17 and replace them with a 1/8 repeating slider.

[hard]

00:15:805 (2,3,4) - move up one tiny square
01:02:908 (3) - make neater


WAIT WAIT WAIT, did you copy paste half of [insane] in this diff :shock: would you mind at least mixing around the notes??

01:43:090 (6) - change this to a 1/8 repeating slider
01:56:356 (4) - same
02:33:173 (2) - same

[normal]
01:02:908 (2) - this slider again?? neater please
01:43:090 (4) - replace with a repeating 1/8 slider
01:56:164 (3) - same


so much of this map set has been copied from the other difficulties. that is not very creative :? try at least changing slider shapes or mixing around where the notes are.

As you have timing issues, i cannot star your map just yet. please fix stuff and ask for a repost in my queue

remember to say its a repost please
Topic Starter
Tenshi-nyan
SPOILER

thekillerhjkhjk wrote:

[general]

TIMING: BPM: 156.036
OFFSET: 30 Very nice! Sounds perfect now.
dont forget to resnap!
all sound-changing timing sections MUST be at least 1/4 beat before any note they are meant to change.
in the case of two notes being 1/4 beat apart, and only one is to change, 1/8 may be used. Why is that? I'll recheck the timing sections later after everything's done because I can see myself adding more of them in the future.

you may need to cut down the mp3 to get rid of all of that unused time

[insane]
00:10:037 (1,2,3) - the amount of repeats in these sliders is counter-intuitive and just about impossible to predict. please change It isn't that bad...
00:16:189 (1,2) - same with this to a lesser extent. for this one, just take away one repeat from (1), bring (2) back and give it one more repeat
00:37:530 (3) - stack on the end of (1) better
00:53:872 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - this is a bit of an issue, as the music has 1/8's, but your stream is 1/4. i recommend replacing it with one slider, 1/8 beat in length, repeating until the desired time. Also, make the volume slowly increase from 0 to the desired volume along it. I kind of liked those streams. Well it can't be helped if the music's faster.
01:02:908 (4) - even out the slider
01:14:636 (4) - stack the end of this slider on (1)
01:15:213 (1) - this spinner is too short. all spinners MUST be long enough for AUTO to get bonus 2000 on it.
01:43:090 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - replace this with a 1/8 repeating slider
01:56:356 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - replace this with the following
- 01:56:356 one note here
- 01:56:452 one note here
- 01:56:548 a 1/8 repeating slider until 01:56:933

02:31:155 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) - delete notes 14, 15, 16 and 17 and replace them with a 1/8 repeating slider.

Good changes. Fixed.

[hard]

00:15:805 (2,3,4) - move up one tiny square
01:02:908 (3) - make neater Sexy enough now?


WAIT WAIT WAIT, did you copy paste half of [insane] in this diff :shock: would you mind at least mixing around the notes?? I guess I'm a lazy bastard :(

01:43:090 (6) - change this to a 1/8 repeating slider
01:56:356 (4) - same
02:33:173 (2) - same Combo whores! :p

[normal]
01:02:908 (2) - this slider again?? neater please Made it more sexy.
01:43:090 (4) - replace with a repeating 1/8 slider
01:56:164 (3) - same


so much of this map set has been copied from the other difficulties. that is not very creative :? try at least changing slider shapes or mixing around where the notes are. Well that's what I did but apparantly it wasn't enough.

As you have timing issues, i cannot star your map just yet. please fix stuff and ask for a repost in my queue

remember to say its a repost please

Thanks for your mod! I made some self-modding and added some additional stuff in Lunatic. I'm also thinking about adding REAL hitsounds, because I believe it sounds kinda dull.
wmfchris
mod request :]

[lunatic]
0:06:566 (2) right 1 grid
0:08:489 (2~6) up 1 grid, (7) maybe up 0.5 grid
0:37:329 (2) left 1 grid
0:55:401 (1,2,3) put them in symmetrical position
1:00:208 (3,4) (3) up 1 grid, (4) up 2 grids
1:08:283 (4) left 1 grid
1:12:128 (1~5) uneven spacing
1:26:548 (2) left 1 grid
1:34:623 (3,4) (3) right 2 grids+up 1 grid, (4) down 3 grids
1:39:045 (5,7,9) they should be in symmetrical position
2:32:294 (15) use spinner?

:D~
Topic Starter
Tenshi-nyan
SPOILER

wmfchris wrote:

mod request :]

[lunatic]
0:06:566 (2) right 1 grid
0:08:489 (2~6) up 1 grid, (7) maybe up 0.5 grid woah 0,5 grids!
0:37:329 (2) left 1 grid
0:55:401 (1,2,3) put them in symmetrical position
1:00:208 (3,4) (3) up 1 grid, (4) up 2 grids
1:08:283 (4) left 1 grid
1:12:128 (1~5) uneven spacing ouchies >_<
1:26:548 (2) left 1 grid
1:34:623 (3,4) (3) right 2 grids+up 1 grid, (4) down 3 grids ehhh those numbers don't exist :(
1:39:045 (5,7,9) they should be in symmetrical position how much more symmetrical can this pattern get? I like it that way~
2:32:294 (15) use spinner? hmmm... nope.

:D~

Moar, moar moar! Thank you!
Sandpig
hi :D

(>'(oo)')> my mod <('(oo)'<)


looks much better now ^^

Insane

00:16:180 (1) - end it 1/4 earlier and start the next one 1/4 earlier
00:17:718 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - maybe it would be better if you don't stack all of them, by the way, I think they are loud, try using more timing settings to make a transition effect.
00:43:193 (1) - add finish?
00:53:863 (1) - end it 1/8 earlier (on red line)
01:02:900 (6) - you mute a note on this slider, it means this slider doesn't fit this part. try using a single circle on 01:02:900 and making the slider 1/4 shorter and starting it on 01:03:092 (in this way all notes of this slider should be on a white line)
01:37:315 (8,9) - add clap on white line instead of red, the next one you can keep it on red line
01:43:083 (6) - transition effect or use soft-sample
01:47:697 (1) - it plays better if you use a 3-note-slider and one more single circle here
01:53:849 (1) - ^
02:21:535 (1,2,3,4,5) - this stream makes no sense
02:23:842 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^
02:32:494 (15) - start it 1/4 earlier


that's all 8-)
Topic Starter
Tenshi-nyan
SPOILER

Sandpig wrote:

hi :D

(>'(oo)')> my mod <('(oo)'<)


looks much better now ^^ :D

Insane

00:16:180 (1) - end it 1/4 earlier and start the next one 1/4 earlier
00:17:718 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - maybe it would be better if you don't stack all of them, by the way, I think they are loud, try using more timing settings to make a transition effect. I like em better stacked. Nice idea to add a transition effect, I already used some of them - now there's more of them.
00:43:193 (1) - add finish? muted it instead.
00:53:863 (1) - end it 1/8 earlier (on red line) those 1/8s are tiny :(
01:02:900 (6) - you mute a note on this slider, it means this slider doesn't fit this part. try using a single circle on 01:02:900 and making the slider 1/4 shorter and starting it on 01:03:092 (in this way all notes of this slider should be on a white line) nice.
01:37:315 (8,9) - add clap on white line instead of red, the next one you can keep it on red line
01:43:083 (6) - transition effect or use soft-sample
01:47:697 (1) - it plays better if you use a 3-note-slider and one more single circle here
01:53:849 (1) - ^
02:21:535 (1,2,3,4,5) - this stream makes no sense i thought it did. hopefully it makes more sense now.
02:23:842 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^
02:32:494 (15) - start it 1/4 earlier and ofc remove the note yeah yeah


that's all 8-)

The map's getting better and better! Keep up the modding <3
Charles445
Make an easy that's under 3 stars.

Normal
This difficulty has a lot of spacing errors

Hard
00:27:908 Add a note

Lunatic
01:01:362 This jump is pretty nuts
01:08:283 Way too far away

Really not much to say; the map is solid.
wmfchris
1:34:623 (3,4) (3) right 2 grids+up 1 grid, (4) down 3 grids
ok this refer to 1:34:623 (9) right 2 grids
thekillerhjkhjk
01:15:204 (1,1) - the first of these spinners is still illegally short. just condense them into one


also, STAR
al2e10
[Lunatic]
- Spacing problem
00:24:062 (5,6) - Distance!
00:40:597 (4,5) - So far, (Make it closer or new combo for 5)
- Sound
00:27:908 (1,2,3) - You can delete (1,3) or (2) wistle

[Hard]
- Combo problem
01:36:930 (7) - New combo?
01:40:006 (7) - New combo?
01:50:965 (6) - ^

[All]
It is a good map.
But it is a little strange for your [Lunatic].
Whatever. STAR.
Topic Starter
Tenshi-nyan
SPOILER

Charles445 wrote:

Make an easy that's under 3 stars. T_T

Normal
This difficulty has a lot of spacing errors Hmmm... I don't really see that many. For the most part of the map I used 0,8x spacing... only one part in the middle uses 1,0x spacing to make sure it's not too easy...

Hard
00:27:908 Add a note made the slider longer instead

Lunatic
01:01:362 This jump is pretty nuts hmm... maybe you're right. moved 'em closer.
01:08:283 Way too far away no way.

Really not much to say; the map is solid.

al2e10 wrote:

[Lunatic]
- Spacing problem
00:24:062 (5,6) - Distance! ouch.
00:40:597 (4,5) - So far, (Make it closer or new combo for 5) new combo then.
- Sound
00:27:908 (1,2,3) - You can delete (1,3) or (2) wistle

[Hard]
- Combo problem
01:36:930 (7) - New combo?
01:40:006 (7) - New combo?
01:50:965 (6) - ^ the combos can stay.

[All]
It is a good map.
But it is a little strange for your [Lunatic]. no modding for normal? I guess it's alrght then.
Whatever. STAR.

In addition to those changes, I made an easy diff. That should satisfy the noobs.
Sleep Powder
Nice dedication in your map description :P

I've played that stage so much D:

[Easy]

02:23:842 (1) - Remove New Combo


[Normal]

01:09:052 (1) - Remove New Combo
01:44:621 (5) - Add New Combo
02:06:154 (2) - Make the slider look nicer? Align slider start and end horizontally

[Hard]

Couldn't find anything that really needed to be fixed.

[Lunatic]
01:09:437 (1) - Remove New Combo

Overall, you seem to use the same hitsound patterns for all your difficulties. You should add more whistles in the places where your whistle pattern could go.

Starr'd
theMikeAG
I'm loving what you have so far, but there is still a lot of work to be done.

All of this is for easy.
00:20:025 (3) - This note is off beat. Move it 1/2 a beat back. (to the previous red line)
00:26:177 (4) - Same problem as before. Move this slider 1/2 a beat back.
00:32:330 (1) - This repeater simply doesn't work. I suggest you use a pattern like this. http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/41386 (ignore the positioning)
00:34:637 (2) - Shorten this slider to a 1/2 beat.
00:38:482 (1) - This repeater is off beat. Scoot it back 1/2 a beat.
01:02:900 (3) - This repeater starts in the right place, but it ends up one whole beat off. Shrink it.
01:09:052 (4) - Scoot this two squares to the right.
01:09:437 (1) - Scoot this slider one square to the right (so that it stacks).
01:11:551 (2) - Shorten this slider to a 1/2 beat.
01:26:163 (1,2,3) - Scoot these notes up one square.
01:41:545 (1,2,3) - Scoot these notes down one square.
01:56:926 (1) - You might want to consider placing a cymbal on the end of this repeater.
SPOILER
01:59:233 (2) - ^If you took my advice, you might want to put a cymbal on the rebound of this repeater.
02:02:309 (5) - ^If you took those two bits of advice, you might want to put a cymbal on this note too.
02:03:078 (1,2) - ^If you did all of the prior, you might want follow the same pattern with these repeaters.
02:08:269 (2) - ^If you take all of my advice, you might want to put a cymbal on this note also.
02:26:150 (3) - Make this repeater longer (around this size http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/41392).

Whew. I might mod the other difficulties later, but for now, I'm too tired to continue.
I can't wait to see how this develops in the future. Starred.
Topic Starter
Tenshi-nyan
SPOILER

theMikeAG wrote:

I'm loving what you have so far, but there is still a lot of work to be done.

All of this is for easy.
00:20:025 (3) - This note is off beat. Move it 1/2 a beat back. (to the previous red line)
00:26:177 (4) - Same problem as before. Move this slider 1/2 a beat back. I don't think it's off beat. it actually sounds worse when I do that.
00:32:330 (1) - This repeater simply doesn't work. I suggest you use a pattern like this. http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/41386 (ignore the positioning) why wouldn't this work?
00:34:637 (2) - Shorten this slider to a 1/2 beat.
00:38:482 (1) - This repeater is off beat. Scoot it back 1/2 a beat. same as above...
01:02:900 (3) - This repeater starts in the right place, but it ends up one whole beat off. Shrink it. I don't think so.
01:09:052 (4) - Scoot this two squares to the right.
01:09:437 (1) - Scoot this slider one square to the right (so that it stacks).
01:11:551 (2) - Shorten this slider to a 1/2 beat.
01:26:163 (1,2,3) - Scoot these notes up one square.
01:41:545 (1,2,3) - Scoot these notes down one square.
01:56:926 (1) - You might want to consider placing a cymbal on the end of this repeater. well, I don't really know about this. I used normal finishs for this, but I don't quite like it.
02:26:150 (3) - Make this repeater longer (around this size http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/41392). Hmm... Better not.

Whew. I might mod the other difficulties later, but for now, I'm too tired to continue.
I can't wait to see how this develops in the future. Starred.


Thanks for the mod. There were quite a number of suggestions which I don't like so I ignored them.

SPOILER

animask wrote:

Nice dedication in your map description :P

I've played that stage so much D:

[Easy]

02:23:842 (1) - Remove New Combo


[Normal]

01:09:052 (1) - Remove New Combo
01:44:621 (5) - Add New Combo
02:06:154 (2) - Make the slider look nicer? Align slider start and end horizontally

[Hard]

Couldn't find anything that really needed to be fixed.

[Lunatic]
01:09:437 (1) - Remove New Combo

Overall, you seem to use the same hitsound patterns for all your difficulties. You should add more whistles in the places where your whistle pattern could go. Hmm I don't get what you mean D:

Starr'd

All good to go. Thanks.
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