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Yousei Teikoku - Wahrheit (Approval)

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Saten
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on den 9 september 2012 at 19:23:47

Artist: Yousei Teikoku
Title: Wahrheit
Tags: Saten-san Kokatsu metanoia
BPM: 140
Filesize: 7788kb
Play Time: 04:29
Difficulties Available:
  1. Koka's Taiko Oni (4,89 stars, 1345 notes)
  2. Saten (4,84 stars, 809 notes)
Download: Yousei Teikoku - Wahrheit
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
---------------
Re-submitting here because the contribution rule.
Old topic can be found here forum/t/85420


KKTaiko renamed to Koka's Taiko Oni
Added additional hitsounds
wmfchris
argggggggh anyone put some starts here

I'll check tonight >_.
Topic Starter
Saten
added 2 even though I'm strongly against starring my own maps ><

Thanks chris <3
Tshemmp
Edit: Nevermind what I wrote here...
Kokatsu
Aww, I missed the submit q__q Saten didn't tell me. Applying mods ASAP.
Kokatsu
wmf's mod from my old uploaded version, finally fixed this..

Taiko
02:00:461 - pattern that comes 3 in a group does not fit 1/4 based song well, and you can hear a clear drum hit from the music ion the white tick so kdddkdk is preferred. aye
02:06:461 - slider represents 1/4 streams and does not fit the long vocal note very well for me. Try a spinner? Also I'll prefer ending spinner/slider eariler and put note at 02:09:128 - since the ending of slider/spinner in taiko diff is insignificant. Finally changed it, was against it first but got mentioned so often that I have to change it :<
02:30:128 - nothing here in the music so just ddddk? Removed the stream to dxxxk
03:18:461 - same as 2:06 yes
03:27:128 - this is the accent like 2 beats before, so add finish In the music, the drummer uses crash's on the note like 2 beats before, but not on this one. big's are here placed corrosponding to the music, won't change it.
03:27:795 - ^ ^
03:28:461 - ^ ^
04:00:120 - same as 2:00 Fixed
04:14:120 - same as 2:06 yes
04:27:120 - ddk refer to music? as you wish~

1/4 streams themselves are fine...but they sounds to be placed a bit randomly. ..thanks? D:
I added the redlines corrosponding to the older version from Mafiamaster but kept the 3/4 and 4/4 swap-back redlines, since I guess they are right.
Added new greenline at 275BPM part to reduce SV (don't want the speedup)

Thanks for your mod and patience! :)

Saten, you got the older Taiko-BG, I made a "new" one with proper positioning of Artist and Mappername


Taiko~
osu file format v9

[General]
AudioFilename: 01 Wahrheit.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 104711
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Normal
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 1
LetterboxInBreaks: 0

[Editor]
DistanceSpacing: 0.4
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 32

[Metadata]
Title:Wahrheit
Artist:Yousei Teikoku
Creator:Saten
Version:KKTaiko
Source:
Tags:Saten-san Kokatsu Metanoia

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:5
CircleSize:5
OverallDifficulty:6
ApproachRate:5
SliderMultiplier:1.4
SliderTickRate:1

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//Break Periods
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//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples
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Topic Starter
Saten
I believe the current one was the correct one
the 275 part is actually 180 with 1/3 beats.
Just because it's ranked doesn't mean it's correct.
Kokatsu
You might be right, however, wmf didn't mention that for no reason imo.. I'll ask MAT/BAT tomorrow~
wmfchris
so how is the progression ^ going? btw you'll want to full submit the map again as the preview image is missed from my browser.
Topic Starter
Saten
It acts weird again. Some can see it, some cannot
few days ago I couldn't see it either, but now I can

Nidert
random things
SPOILER
17:36 Nidert: : btw
17:37 Nidert: : 00:34:653 (1) -
17:37 Nidert: : fett ful slider
17:37 Nidert: : xD
17:37 Nidert: : stör mig på den när jag spelar
17:37 Saten: : jo
17:37 Saten: : xD
17:38 Nidert: : wääh
17:38 Nidert: : xD
17:39 Saten: : xD
17:39 Saten: : kk
17:39 Saten: : http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/372051 så?
17:39 Nidert: : vene, ser bättre ut om den är på samma nivå som början
17:39 Nidert: : asså
17:39 Nidert: : som en
17:39 Nidert: : halvcirkel
17:40 Saten: : symmetrisk?
17:40 Nidert: : aa
17:41 Nidert: : 01:10:461 (1) - äre bara jag
17:41 Nidert: : lr är inte den stackad under?
17:42 Saten: : derp
17:42 Saten: : xd
17:43 Saten: : lite svårt o se
17:43 Saten: : fixed
Topic Starter
Saten
Thanks Niderp Nidert

also, full-submitted but I don't think it will make any difference
it was just like this mapset http://osu.ppy.sh/s/53176
any34
I love this :)
Leorda
Hi there

[Saten]
* Perhaps, remove the Letterbox during breaks?

00:55:462 (1) - Remove one repeating slider, so players are able to click the next note with perfect timed
01:27:795 (5) - New combo?
04:03:120 (1) - Why new combo?


That's all I got, hope it's help!
Topic Starter
Saten

Leorda wrote:

Hi there

[Saten]
* Perhaps, remove the Letterbox during breaks? done

00:55:462 (1) - Remove one repeating slider, so players are able to click the next note with perfect timed okay
01:27:795 (5) - New combo? added
04:03:120 (1) - Why new combo? easier to notice what's next


That's all I got, hope it's help!
Thanks Leo~
lolcubes
Uh oh I will mod this sometime soon. Hurray for Yousei!

Anyways, just a little observation: 03:34:788 - this offset should be at 03:34:795 I believe, because the last section looks early if it's not and inconsistent to the other sections (it's snapped on 795 as well heh), which means everything after this point needs +7 too.
Oh and definitely should be OD8, it's too easy with 7, hell it's easy with 8 too haha. Also, tried some monochrome color combo haxing for the beginning? For the atmosphere.

With that, I am out for now, expect a mod coming soon!
Don't kudo this post please.
Topic Starter
Saten
so it was a snapped section..
Fixed

OD8 of HP8 is out of the question since it will be hell to keep it up on the final spinner, and I don't really wanna shorten it because of that.
lolcubes
With OD8, an average spin of 240 completes it just fine. o_o

Okay here we go.

[Saten]
  1. Well, you're the creator, and it's your diff. Doesn't really need to be called like that, right? I am at a loss here though, maybe should name it something more song related.
  2. OD8 is a necessity here. OD7 is just way too easy. Don't worry about the final spinner, it's easy enough (240~ spin completes it just fine, which is lower what spunout spins anyway) with OD8.
  3. Combo colors: I actually recommend adding 2 more colors which are very pale and colorless. Gray and a darker gray come to mind, so you use only those 2 for the beginning, for the atmosphere. Talking about the 00:24:368 - 00:54:475 section.
  4. ^In the above section, I strongly suggest to silence the "idle" ticks. Since you're using tick 2, it sounds too busy most of the time. This means putting 5% timing sections around, where the really long sliders are an exception (cause most of the ticks actually follow the melody pretty well, while some don't), and don't need every tick silenced. This is a really quiet and calm part and I think the ticksounds ruin it.
  5. 00:56:462 (2) - Not having a finish at the end sounds distracting a little in my opinion. I always wondered where did it go when I was playing it.
  6. 01:35:461 (1,2) - This new combo should be on 2 instead.
  7. 01:41:795 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - I think streams like this sound weak, because they are following the drumline. I suggest a swap to normal hitsounds, but lowering volume so they are slightly louder than your default soft. A 40% normal section sounds awesome. For the snare, you can just duplicate it and rename for the normal hitsound set, and then full submit. This affects all streams which follow the drumline. Such a touch in dynamics makes the map much more interesting in my opinion.
  8. 02:00:461 (1,2) - This is a flow breaker. It's a little unexpected and it plays really bad in my opinion. The returners you used always were much more cool. You should probably do something similar, I really don't like this.
  9. 02:19:128 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Since this whole stream is actually a snare in the music, add claps?
  10. 02:35:795 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - I suggest to lower the spacing in this whole combo a little, and then add a jump between the last note of it and the 1 from the next combo. The reason is, the pitch of the melody jumps there and I think it could be a nice touch to make it a little more interesting.
  11. 02:42:461 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I recommend to change the order how they appear a little. Currently the note 3 is quite hidden and difficult to notice at times. If you reverse 3+4, 2+5 and relocate 7 to the left side, you don't lose out on anything, and everything looks much more clear.
  12. 02:45:128 (1) - How about making 2 circles instead of this? Even the comboing looks awkward if it's like this. If you make a circle then put the new combo on the 2nd one. Can even create a slight jump between those 2 circles, but the 2nd one should be closer to the top slider in the next combo. I think it follows the music much better and is more fun to play.
  13. 02:50:461 (1,2) - 2 should be a new combo, not 1.
  14. 03:03:461 (1,2) - ^Would be better to do the same here too. Consistency reasons and makes a certain upcoming pattern look better too.
  15. 03:04:795 (1,2) - ^ this is the pattern that I am talking about atleast.
  16. 03:17:795 (1) - This new combo is completely unnecessary. It looks much better as 1-2 as well.
  17. 03:35:795 (3) - Just like I was suggesting at the beginning, you could regulate how slider ticks sound, silencing the ones which don't follow the music here. Could probably even use the monochrome colors for this section as well (like I suggested), for better atmosphere.
  18. 04:11:460 (1,2,3,4) - This was really weird. Should probably shorten them because they play awkward.
  19. 04:13:460 (1) - This combo is also completely unnecessary.
[KKTaiko]
  1. Fix the timing.
  2. Maybe rename it a little? KKTaiko seems weird. :P
  3. 04:18:452 (2,1,2) - I think this would be much better if it was kkd instead.
  4. 04:21:286 (1,1,2) - I think this would be much better if it was ddk instead.
Overall a pretty nice map, although I don't really like some of the jumps, but could be just my preference. I strongly suggest to fix the patterns like I suggested because I believe they would increase the overall playability of the map. Also, regardless of anything OD8 is a must here, because insane diff without OD8 should be only when it's extremely awkward or if it has awkward timing, this case is neither so. :p

Oh by the way, the album name is written with a lower case m, just saying. ;)
Have a star and call me back once you apply the changes via forum PM.
Topic Starter
Saten

lolcubes wrote:

With OD8, an average spin of 240 completes it just fine. o_o

Okay here we go.

[Saten]
  1. Well, you're the creator, and it's your diff. Doesn't really need to be called like that, right? I am at a loss here though, maybe should name it something more song related. I think it's fine, it's a collab mapset
  2. OD8 is a necessity here. OD7 is just way too easy. Don't worry about the final spinner, it's easy enough (240~ spin completes it just fine, which is lower what spunout spins anyway) with OD8. Sure it's enough but when I spun, I had about 15% HP left and if one messes up at the end, you're dead unless you can spin really fast. You'll have to convince me more
  3. Combo colors: I actually recommend adding 2 more colors which are very pale and colorless. Gray and a darker gray come to mind, so you use only those 2 for the beginning, for the atmosphere. Talking about the 00:24:368 - 00:54:475 section. okay
  4. ^In the above section, I strongly suggest to silence the "idle" ticks. Since you're using tick 2, it sounds too busy most of the time. This means putting 5% timing sections around, where the really long sliders are an exception (cause most of the ticks actually follow the melody pretty well, while some don't), and don't need every tick silenced. This is a really quiet and calm part and I think the ticksounds ruin it. I don't have any problems with ticks on the calm parts
  5. 00:56:462 (2) - Not having a finish at the end sounds distracting a little in my opinion. I always wondered where did it go when I was playing it. Really? I had negative feedback about having a finish there so I removed it, I think it was because the finish kinda extinguishes the next finish
  6. 01:35:461 (1,2) - This new combo should be on 2 instead. having it the way it was works too
  7. 01:41:795 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - I think streams like this sound weak, because they are following the drumline. I suggest a swap to normal hitsounds, but lowering volume so they are slightly louder than your default soft. A 40% normal section sounds awesome. For the snare, you can just duplicate it and rename for the normal hitsound set, and then full submit. This affects all streams which follow the drumline. Such a touch in dynamics makes the map much more interesting in my opinion. okay
  8. 02:00:461 (1,2) - This is a flow breaker. It's a little unexpected and it plays really bad in my opinion. The returners you used always were much more cool. You should probably do something similar, I really don't like this. forth and back wont work here because of slideroverlaps and such
  9. 02:19:128 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Since this whole stream is actually a snare in the music, add claps? making them all claps sounds weird because the snare kinda pitch down, and my claps doesn't
  10. 02:35:795 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - I suggest to lower the spacing in this whole combo a little, and then add a jump between the last note of it and the 1 from the next combo. The reason is, the pitch of the melody jumps there and I think it could be a nice touch to make it a little more interesting. I didn't't really get what you meant, so I just lowered the spacing a bit
  11. 02:42:461 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I recommend to change the order how they appear a little. Currently the note 3 is quite hidden and difficult to notice at times. If you reverse 3+4, 2+5 and relocate 7 to the left side, you don't lose out on anything, and everything looks much more clear. did something similar
  12. 02:45:128 (1) - How about making 2 circles instead of this? Even the comboing looks awkward if it's like this. If you make a circle then put the new combo on the 2nd one. Can even create a slight jump between those 2 circles, but the 2nd one should be closer to the top slider in the next combo. I think it follows the music much better and is more fun to play. the new combo fits as it is imo, also this is a main beat
  13. 02:50:461 (1,2) - 2 should be a new combo, not 1. imo that would look weird, and (1) is a main beat as you can see
  14. 03:03:461 (1,2) - ^Would be better to do the same here too. Consistency reasons and makes a certain upcoming pattern look better too. I want to avoid that
  15. 03:04:795 (1,2) - ^ this is the pattern that I am talking about atleast. o.o?
  16. 03:17:795 (1) - This new combo is completely unnecessary. It looks much better as 1-2 as well. it's part of the pattern, just like 02:05:128 (1,1) -
  17. 03:35:795 (3) - Just like I was suggesting at the beginning, you could regulate how slider ticks sound, silencing the ones which don't follow the music here. Could probably even use the monochrome colors for this section as well (like I suggested), for better atmosphere. like I mentioned before. It also affects the other game modes, but no one seem to care about that
  18. 04:11:460 (1,2,3,4) - This was really weird. Should probably shorten them because they play awkward. I will keep this because I like it the was it is
  19. 04:13:460 (1) - This combo is also completely unnecessary. as before
[KKTaiko]
  1. Fix the timing. It's already fixed
  2. Maybe rename it a little? KKTaiko seems weird. :P Me and Kokatsu argued about changing it to Koka's Taiko Oni, or keeping the name and delete the taiko bg. I didn't like either one of them, but I guess I can go with first one then. I just hope it doesn't mess up the thumbnail
  3. 04:18:452 (2,1,2) - I think this would be much better if it was kkd instead.
  4. 04:21:286 (1,1,2) - I think this would be much better if it was ddk instead.
Overall a pretty nice map, although I don't really like some of the jumps, but could be just my preference. I strongly suggest to fix the patterns like I suggested because I believe they would increase the overall playability of the map. Also, regardless of anything OD8 is a must here, because insane diff without OD8 should be only when it's extremely awkward or if it has awkward timing, this case is neither so. :p

Oh by the way, the album name is written with a lower case m, just saying. ;)
Have a star and call me back once you apply the changes via forum PM.
Will call you back once Kokatsu check this
Kokatsu
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lolcubes wrote:

[KKTaiko]
  1. Fix the timing. Saten did
  2. Maybe rename it a little? KKTaiko seems weird. :P Yea, it was more of a joke ^^'
  3. 04:18:452 (2,1,2) - I think this would be much better if it was kkd instead.
  4. 04:21:286 (1,1,2) - I think this would be much better if it was ddk instead. Fixed both, thanks :)
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