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Draw The Emotional - Sad Spring

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Nyquill
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Nyquill
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on March-30-14 at 10:28:00 PM

Artist: Draw The Emotional
Title: Sad Spring
Source: Touhou
Tags: 幽雅に咲かせ、墨染の桜 Border of Life 東方妖々夢 Perfect Cherry Blossom ルシュカ neko yuyoyuppe c83 seated with liqour saigyouji yuyuko foreground eclipse RLC ryuu
BPM: 184
Filesize: 5891kb
Play Time: 03:17
Difficulties Available:
  1. Lunatic (4.9 stars, 556 notes)
  2. RLC's Hard (5 stars, 428 notes)
  3. ryuu's Normal (3.23 stars, 209 notes)
Download: Draw The Emotional - Sad Spring
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Part of the Seated with Liquor album project. t/112227/start=0
And the Draw the Emotional Discography. p/2473438

Normal(Ryuu) - Done
Hard(RLC) - Done
Insane - Done

Finally, I haven't heard a good border of life arrangement in a while.
Last edited by Nyquill , edited 25 times in total.
ryuu
802 posts
Joined February 2011
ryuu
awesome map ;w;
[SAK]KING_OF_SA
32 posts
Joined January 2012
[SAK]KING_OF_SA
Ah, I'm definetly keeping this map.
[ Lionheart ]
87 posts
Joined July 2012
[ Lionheart ]
Love this song and especially the map sooooo much O_O very good job, Nyquill :D

I'm proud of this ._.'
ryuu
802 posts
Joined February 2011
ryuu
if u want, i can make normal :о
Nyquill
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Nyquill

ryuu wrote:

if u want, i can make normal :о
Oh, sure. I don't know if I want a NHI or a ENHI spread though, so if you make normal, ideally it can be under 3 stars to deal with both situations.
Irie Miyuki
388 posts
Joined October 2010
Irie Miyuki
>3< Love this map and the song so muuuuch
neurosis
508 posts
Joined March 2012
neurosis
you should update the artist info since whoever tagged that original c83 upload didn't use proper tags
artist: Draw the Emotional, no foreground eclipse members participated in this track

if you wanted to add tags:
幽雅に咲かせ、墨染の桜 ～ Border of Life 東方妖々夢　～ Perfect Cherry Blossom ルシュカ neko yuyoyuppe c83 seated with liqour saigyouji yuyuko foreground eclipse

if you plan to rank this, message me for a full mod!
Nyquill
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Nyquill
RLC is working on hard and ryuu is working on normal afaik. Take your time guys, but finish in a reasonable amount of time (lets say a month and a half?).
Nyquill
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Pending.
smallboat
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smallboat
Hi,Nyquill,#modreq.

  1. Red words: Should be fix it.
  2. Blue words : I recommended suggestion.
  3. Black words : In my personal opinion.

[General]

1.Tag is not consistent,"RLC's Hard" no add the tags,add it?
2.Insane diff un select " wide screen support",select it?
3.Combo color is not consistent (RLC's Hard)

[ryuu's Normal]

SPOILER
00:43:401 (3,4,6) - I recommended can add whistle (3 and 4 at slider head) this here,because if add it,the vocal can strong effect of expression,imo.
00:49:923 (5) - Cancel the medium whistle? continuous whistle feel a bit noisy. If cancel , it will be useful sense of rhythm.
00:58:401 (4) - Nazi,stack crooked off.
01:00:357 (2) - Forget add clap? (Beacuse this part is 24clap at this here.)
01:02:640 (3) - Forget add clap? (Because 01:01:336 (1) - you add clap at end,so I think add here,have a good effect.)
01:05:249 (1) - Strong beat,add finish at head?
01:09:162 (1) - Why not add finish?
01:10:466 (3) - Cancel the clap at head ? ( Seems a bit noisy(no rhythm sense) at this here)
01:15:031 (2) - ^
01:16:336 (4) - Why not add finish at end?
01:17:640 (1,4) - As the same 00:43:401 (3,4,6)
01:19:596 (1,3) - Add whistle in slider end ,reason in the same 00:43:401 (3,4,6).
01:22:205 (1,3) - ^
01:25:466 (2) - whistle?
01:32:314 (5) - Add whistle? (Because you add 01:29:379 (3,4),have the same rhythm.)
01:53:285 (3) - Change a rhythm , so I suggest NC here.
01:54:999 (1) - Why not add hitsound at here? You can add finish or clap,will be fit.
01:56:714 (4) - Change a rhythm , so I suggest NC here.
02:00:142 (2) - ^
02:08:714 (1) - As the same 01:54:999 (1).
02:15:571 (1) - Add finish in slider head? (Strong beat)
02:28:575 (3) - Add whistle in slider head?
02:48:466 (4) - Cancel the clap at head ? ( Seems a bit noisy(no rhythm sense) at this here)
02:57:923 (1) - Add finish in slider head? (Strong beat)
03:04:445 (2) - ^
03:05:749 (1) - ^
03:09:662 (3) - Cancel clap in slider end and add 03:10:314 (4) ? (24 clap)

[RLC's Hard]

SPOILER
00:47:314 (2,3) - Add clap (3 add end)? I think have 24 clap, it will be sense of rhythm.
00:51:227 (1) - Add finish in slider head?
00:53:836 (3,4) - As the same 00:47:314 (2,3)
00:56:118 (1) - Add finish in slider head? (Strong beat)
00:57:260 (1) - Feel move to (368|216) fit the music.
00:58:075 (4,1) - Feel can add finish or clap in slider head ?(Have strong beat at this here.)
00:59:379 (3) - ^
01:02:640 (1) - Perhap can add finish at head.
01:18:292 (1) - Perhap can add finish.
01:20:901 (1) - ^
01:23:510 (1) - ^
01:26:118 (1) - ^
01:32:477 (4,5,6) - Seems can move to (332|328),fit the music (and triangle)
01:37:205 (1) - Recommended add finish at here,it can be good sense.
02:17:285 (1) - I think this hitsound is add finish,not add clap. Are"t you feel add clap have a bit strange rhythm?
02:17:392 (1) - And , here can add finish,have a good rhythm effect ,too.
02:36:972 (7) - I think this hitsound is add finish,it will be sense of rhythm.
02:42:271 (7) - ^
02:44:879 (7) - ^
02:46:184 (2) - ^
03:00:532 (1) - ^
03:08:684 (2,4) - I think add (24)clap at head,seems have good sense of rhythm.
03:09:988 (2,4) - ^
03:10:966 (1) - Add finish, it will be a good effect.

[Insane]

00:25:303 (6,7) - Seems this two objects close the scoreboard? Suggest move down a bit.
00:39:162 (6) - I feel here can use NC,feel add it can read easy.
00:40:303 (11,12,1,2,3) - Perhaps can be a arc.
00:42:749 (9) - Turn an angle?
SPOILER
00:45:031 (6) - Perhaps can stack 00:46:010 (2) ? Have a good effect.
00:47:640 (7) - Recommded use slider head stack 00:46:010 (2),too. Have the better flow.
00:49:434 (4) - Perhaps can stack 00:47:640 (7) slider head.
00:55:955 (10) - Not stack (7)? On purpose?
00:56:607 (2) - Feel this note not good flow, try stack 00:56:770 (3) ?
01:05:249 (5) - Change a rhythm (vocal) , so I suggest NC here.
01:10:466 (7) - ^
01:15:683 (9) - ^
01:18:292 (7) - I think add finish in slider head have a good effect.
01:23:510 (6) - ^
01:32:640 (12) - I think add finish have a good effect.
01:36:553 (6) - As the same 01:05:249 (5).
01:37:205 (14) - I think add finish have a good effect.
02:04:214 (9) - As the same 01:05:249 (5).
02:10:428 (4) - I think add finish have a good effect.
02:13:857 (4) - Add whistle? I feel fit the music.
02:36:401 (6) - Change a rhythm (vocal) , so I suggest NC here.
02:37:053 (11) - Add finish?
02:57:760 (1) - ^
03:09:662 (1,2,3,4) - Try this? Feel so good pattern :
SPOILER
03:10:314 (5) - NC?

[Other]
1.If you have any mod above problems, you can PM or in-game to me.
2.Hope to you ranked.
3.Hope my mod is useful to you.
4.So good map ,let me learn more place and flow, I shoot 2 stars.
ryuu
802 posts
Joined February 2011
ryuu

smallboat wrote:

[ryuu's Normal]

SPOILER
00:43:401 (3,4,6) - I recommended can add whistle (3 and 4 at slider head) this here,because if add it,the vocal can strong effect of expression,imo. done
00:49:923 (5) - Cancel the medium whistle? continuous whistle feel a bit noisy. If cancel , it will be useful sense of rhythm. but.. it's a rhythm of whistles :c please, can i leave it? ;___;
00:58:401 (4) - Nazi,stack crooked off. okay
01:00:357 (2) - Forget add clap? (Beacuse this part is 24clap at this here.) done
01:02:640 (3) - Forget add clap? (Because 01:01:336 (1) - you add clap at end,so I think add here,have a good effect.) done
01:05:249 (1) - Strong beat,add finish at head? i add soft finish. because i don't want it to be too loud :<
01:09:162 (1) - Why not add finish? done
01:10:466 (3) - Cancel the clap at head ? ( Seems a bit noisy(no rhythm sense) at this here) ugu
01:15:031 (2) - ^ i like it :< clap, clap, clap
01:16:336 (4) - Why not add finish at end? okay
01:17:640 (1,4) - As the same 00:43:401 (3,4,6) done
01:19:596 (1,3) - Add whistle in slider end ,reason in the same 00:43:401 (3,4,6). ugu
01:22:205 (1,3) - ^ ugu
01:25:466 (2) - whistle? ugu
01:32:314 (5) - Add whistle? (Because you add 01:29:379 (3,4),have the same rhythm.) really
01:53:285 (3) - Change a rhythm , so I suggest NC here. ugu
01:54:999 (1) - Why not add hitsound at here? You can add finish or clap,will be fit. done
01:56:714 (4) - Change a rhythm , so I suggest NC here. ugu
02:00:142 (2) - ^ done
02:08:714 (1) - As the same 01:54:999 (1). done
02:15:571 (1) - Add finish in slider head? (Strong beat)
02:28:575 (3) - Add whistle in slider head?
02:48:466 (4) - Cancel the clap at head ? ( Seems a bit noisy(no rhythm sense) at this here) i like it :<
02:57:923 (1) - Add finish in slider head? (Strong beat) done
03:04:445 (2) - ^ ^
03:05:749 (1) - ^ ^
03:09:662 (3) - Cancel clap in slider end and add 03:10:314 (4) ? (24 clap) done

thank u for ur useful mod :3

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Azer
World Cup Organiser
1,107 posts
Joined December 2012
Azer
greetings traveler

[Insane]
  • Considered starting the diff at 00:14:379 ?
  1. 00:25:792 (8) - blanket or make straight for aesthetics
  2. 00:30:031 (1,2,3) - weird flow, how bout something like this
    SPOILER
  3. 00:31:336 (1,2) - thats a massive jump man
  4. 00:38:021 (3,4) - weird flow, curve 3 downward and make 4 straight
  5. 00:40:303 (6,7,1,2,3) - this looks really ugly, fix angle pls
  6. 00:41:770 (1,3) - fix blanket
  7. 00:50:249 (6,7) - too close to eachother, move 6 to ~ x362 y246
  8. 00:54:814 (6,7,8) - youve got the emphasis backways, move 7 closer to 6
  9. 01:01:336 (1,2,3) - make distance consistant
  10. 01:06:553 (1) - angle is ugly
  11. 01:11:770 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - pretty uncharictic of the song, nothing really wrong here but i feel making this part streamier would be better
  12. 01:14:379 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - pentagon pls
  13. 01:17:151 (3,4,5) - distance a bit too low
  14. 01:19:678 (2) - nothing in the song here, replace 01:19:433 (8,1,2,3) - with 4 circles with distance snap
  15. 01:20:901 (6,7) - try a reverse slider here and changing the following objects
  16. 01:24:651 (1,2) - I don't think suddenly having red tick sliders is good here really, takes you by surprise
  17. 01:28:727 (5) - move up left, too close to 6
  18. 01:56:499 (7,8) - huge jump
  19. 02:04:428 (10,11) - ^
  20. 02:08:285 (3,4) - stack and maybe switch order (slider-circle instead of circle-slider)
  21. 02:08:714 (5,1) - ^
  22. 02:12:249 (1) - replace with two circles
  23. 02:15:571 (1,2,3) - too close to eachother, spread apart for better consistency
  24. 02:21:727 (2,3) - huge jump
    [* ]02:52:379 (8,1) - unstack

    NC
    1. 00:26:118 (9) - NC
    2. 00:27:423 (13) - NC
    3. 00:27:749 (1) - remove NC
    4. 00:28:564 (1) - NC
    5. 00:31:336 (5) - NC
    6. 00:33:781 (4) - NC
    7. 00:36:553 (6) - NC?
    8. 00:41:770 (5) - NC
    9. 01:07:857 (7) - NC?
    10. 01:10:466 (7) - NC?
    11. 01:53:499 (9) - NC?
    12. 01:56:928 (8) - NC?
    13. 02:00:357 (8) - NC?
    14. 02:03:785 (8) - NC?
    15. 02:17:285 (7) - NC?

[RLC's Hard]
wow i cant find anything rlc op
  1. 01:56:285 (6,1) - weird flow
    LITERALLY NOTHING

And I'm sorry to ryuu but I don't know shit about normals orz
Nyquill
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Nyquill

Azer wrote:

greetings traveler My Greetings.

[Insane]
[notice][list]Considered starting the diff at 00:14:379 ?

[*] 01:06:553 (1) - angle is ugly Not sure what you mean?
[*] 01:11:770 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - pretty uncharictic of the song, nothing really wrong here but i feel making this part streamier would be better Its something i've been considering for while, I'll keep it in mind but i'll leave it for later.
[*] 01:14:379 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - pentagon pls Its visually hard enough to find because of the length of the pentagon, but I guess it can't hurt.
[*] 01:17:151 (3,4,5) - distance a bit too low I feel like lowered distance is better going into a new section (especially a quieter one).
[*] 01:24:651 (1,2) - I don't think suddenly having red tick sliders is good here really, takes you by surprise Better than notes, what would you rather me do? Sliders are easier to hit.
[*] 02:08:285 (3,4) - stack and maybe switch order (slider-circle instead of circle-slider) I don't feel like it makes a difference? Especially since slider circle and circle slider is more of a playing preference, and doesn't physically make anything easier or harder
[*] 02:08:714 (5,1) - ^ ^
[*] 02:12:249 (1) - replace with two circles I don't feel like this particularily makes anything more worth emphasizing emphasized. Its more fitting for a relaxed section as it is.
Everything else was done, and I remapped a lot of shit.
11t
Elite Storyboarder
299 posts
Joined November 2012
11t



[Insane]
  1. 00:24:488 - The hitsounding in this section sounds too abrasive for me. I personally think that using soft-hitnormal would have worked better. For sections like 00:35:249 and 01:06:553 using normal-hitnormal sounds perfect, but in the beginning here there isn't that continuous bass guitar playing low 1/4s to sort of justify using normal-hitnormal in my opinion. Instead, the guitars focus on the mid-high range in this section so I think soft-hitnormal would have been better.

  2. 00:29:053 (1) - Slight aesthetic issue; this circle isn't linearly aligned with the previous objects. 245,86 looks better. It's really not a huge deal but I did notice it during actual play so I thought I should point it out.

  3. 00:47:966 (4,1,2,3,1,2,3) - I really like the flow here, especially the pair of sliders at 00:49:434 (1,2). One of my favorite Nyquillisms which has had a huge influence on my own mapping is your backtracking flow after straight or very slightly curved 1/2 sliders, these sorts of things really demonstrate your mastery over slider leniency.

  4. 01:06:553 - The symmetry plays really well in this section, and you've also kept things interesting by alternating between repeats and triples.

  5. 01:11:770 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This part feels a bit empty in comparison to the instrumentation. It plays fine though and I guess it acts as a sort of break between two streamy sections, but it still feels weird to be clicking on 1/2 sliders when all you can really hear in the music is 1/4 bass and the occasional snare. This is probably the best way to map things though, since you couldn't have continued with triples and repeats since the 1/4s are constant instead of segmented, and a huge stream probably would've been too much difficulty-wise for this map. Anyway I'm probably just repeating things you've already considered.

  6. 01:32:640 (12) - Sorry orz. When I'm looking at it in the editor it really doesn't seem off at all but in actual play for some reason this looked awkward. Try 455,179?

  7. 01:37:857 - Artist: screamo guy feat. Draw the Emotional
    no kds

  8. 01:50:714 (1) - omg I wish there were a hitsound for these vocals. Still, only having soft-hitnormal doesn't mesh well here. Maybe try soft-hitwhistle2? Or maybe you could just lower the volume for the slider start.

  9. 02:08:285 (3,4,5,1) - These feel awkward for me, especially 02:08:285 (3,4) which has a 1/4 slider start on a blue tick. I think it would be better if you changed (3-4) into a triple instead, though if you do end up keeping it like this, there is a slight spacing inconsistency between the (3-4) gap (2.67x) and the (5-1) gap (2.44x). If that was intentional, then it's totally fine.

  10. 02:18:793 (3,4) - I have a feeling that decreasing the spacing between these two sliders could make the tempo change play more smoothly. Currently the spacing is pretty large in comparison to the spacing at 02:18:142 (1,2,3) and while that's expected (1/2 gap vs. 1/4 gaps), the actual clicks made by the player are all spaced 1/1 apart here. Having 3 semi-closely spaced 1/1 clicks and then a largely spaced 1/1 click right after a tempo change could be a problem. My suggestion would be to move 02:19:119 (4) to 56,116; doing so spaces the ends of (3) and (4) to roughly the same distance as between 02:18:142 (1,2,3). This could be a good visual indicator of the consistent click rhythm, while still keeping the actual spacing between (3-4) further apart. The distances between (4) and 02:19:445 (5) and (5) and (6) also become roughly the same (2.22x) after this change.

  11. 02:24:010 - The flow in general in this section is great, I really like how you manage to construct oval flow even though you use primarily straight and slightly-curved sliders.
Gudo mappu! Your maps always strike a nice balance between linear and circular flow, and this map is no exception. In general I think your maps are very adaptive to different playstyles, there's always something for everyone to enjoy in a Nyquill map. I think that the secret behind this is in your use of slightly-curved sliders with a focus on semi-parallel arrangement. Most great maps are characterized by a diversity of flow to keep the playthrough interesting rather than becoming monotonous. In most cases this seems to be done by explicitly alternating between angular/linear and circular flow, i.e., triangle hitcircle patterns with blanketed sliders. However, this map in particular seems to diversify flow not explicitly, but implicitly, by giving players a choice between different methods of following your patterns. Your consistent use of straight or semi-straight sliders seems to suggest a linear flow, but the arrangement of your objects with the help of slider leniency presents the possibility of playing via circular flow as well.

In the end, I think that the beauty of this map and your maps in general comes from allowing the players to play the way that they want to play, rather than forcing them into a strict set of flow patterns. Making maps like this is possible only for someone who's truly mastered things like slider leniency: everyone clicks hitcircles in the same way, but tracing through sliders can be made a diverse experience depending on the construction of the map.

Your use of streams is moderate and not overdone. This helps to diversify gameplay, because too much stream makes a map a (sometimes frustrating) spamfest and too little stream makes a map feel too steady.

Aesthetically your patterns are well-designed and organized; the map as a whole looks clean and stable, with an adaptive structure well-suited for many types of flow. In many maps the structure is based too much on blankets or straight lines, and this tends to pigeonhole the flow into being either uniformly circular or uniformly linear. That isn't the case for this map; the aesthetic quality of this map comes from a structure that can adapt.

Overall, the primary characteristic of this map is definitely "balance". But by no means is this a balance formed from compromise, rather it's a balance created from doing everything so well that there are no identifiable weakspots or lacking elements.

It's rare that I don't have any general complaints about a map as a whole, but honestly I really don't see any aspect of this map that's lacking in some way. Everything that I've pointed out above are either minor grid issues, slight spacing suggestions, or hitsound adjustments. Usually here I would tell a mapper that they need to work on such and such, like maybe their map isn't as neat as it could be or that their object spacing needs work or that the rhythm is awkward, but for this map, there's nothing to say about things like that. Amazing work!
take itttttt ☆

brb with NH
Nyquill
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Nyquill
Thank you for the star! I think I'm going to give the stream section in the middle a bit more thought, give me a bit.

>EDIT: Done everything except for the streams.
RLC
Elite Mapper
1,006 posts
Joined August 2011
RLC
oh right i still need to finish hitsounding this
11t
Elite Storyboarder
299 posts
Joined November 2012
11t

RLC wrote:

oh right i still need to finish hitsounding this
I'll wait until you're done before I finish modding the other diffs then
Nyquill
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Nyquill
RLC has completed hitsounding a while back. Everything is updated.
11t
Elite Storyboarder
299 posts
Joined November 2012
11t

Nyquill wrote:

RLC has completed hitsounding a while back. Everything is updated.
okay, lazy mode disengage
h-here i go

no kds

[7's Hard]
Combo Colors:
Combo1 : 192,192,192
Combo2 : 109,109,112

Tags: 幽雅に咲かせ、墨染の桜 ～ Border of Life 東方妖々夢　～ Perfect Cherry Blossom ルシュカ neko yuyoyuppe c83 seated with liqour saigyouji yuyuko foreground eclipse RLC ryuu
  1. 00:41:934 (2,3,4) - This is okay, but the repeat doesn't totally fit here, and then the (3,4) gap feels a bit weird because of that.
    Honestly I would've preferred something like this
    image
    but like, this is a hard, so the (2,3) spacing there is probably too much. Still, I think this sort of rhythm would fit the music better here. You do end up skipping over the clap note at 00:42:423 though because it's in the middle of the (3) slider, so you could change the 1/1 (3) to a 1/2 repeat if you want to map the clap. And actually something like this
    image
    wouldn't be too bad either, and this maps the clap as well. The spacing is still probably a bit huge though so you should probably rearrange the pattern if you do decide to go with this object rhythm.

  2. 00:44:379 - 01:06:553 - this section needs claps (including the spinner that starts here)

  3. 01:01:336 (1,1,2,1,1,2) - this might be a problem for readability. I guess see if more people bring this up; it could just be me.

  4. 01:06:553 - I really like the way you handled the fast triples in this section.

  5. 01:16:988 - 01:37:857 - this section needs claps too, like on the circles at 01:18:292 (1) and etc.

  6. 01:22:694 (5) - Midpoint to 220,144 and endpoint to 119,198 fixes this blanket.

  7. 02:13:857 (1) - Start point only to 81,53 makes this blanket look neater.

  8. 02:17:392 (1) - Finish on end works better here than bare hitnormal I think.

  9. 02:37:135 (1) - Clap on end

  10. 02:39:662 - For this section, consider adding Finishes on the objects just before the gaps, like at 02:42:271 (7) and 02:44:879 (7) etc. Or soft whistles, or drum finishes, or something to give those notes a bit more aural impact.

  11. 02:47:488 - Hitsounds missing from here until the end
Naisu mappu
(:3[_____completed hitsounding_____]
[ryuu's Normal]
  1. 00:24:162 - 01:06:553 - To be honest I don't really understand your normal whistle rhythm in these sections but it's not like they sound bad or anything, so it's fine. Though your whistles sort of stop halfway through the kiai at 00:56:118.

  2. 01:16:336 (4) - Consider using normal whistle on this slider's start (keep soft hitnormal though)

  3. 02:03:571 (1) - Finish on end

  4. 02:10:428 (2) - Normal clap works better than soft finish here I think. Or you could use both, like at 02:12:999 (2).

  5. 02:48:466 (4) - This slider start is a bit too far up in the (1,2,3,4,5) line. I think 340,297 works better.

  6. 03:10:966 (1) - Consider silencing slider end to 5% volume. Oh, and this is also a suggestion for Insane as well.
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