09:23 Zero__wind: Hi Frost, may I borrow you a little time?
09:23 Frostmourne: eh hi
09:23 Frostmourne: borrow?
09:23 Zero__wind: ha
09:23 Zero__wind: wanna ask for your opinion
09:23 Frostmourne: oh ok !
09:23 *Zero__wind is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/225192 Sky Sailing - Tennis Elbow [Hard]]
09:23 Zero__wind: maybe have a test play?
09:24 Zero__wind: I made some stuff currently seems under argument
09:24 Zero__wind: so I wanna find some opinions if it's really unplayable or something
09:27 Frostmourne: ..
09:27 Frostmourne: adam young as a singer?
09:27 Zero__wind: oops, so what do you think?
09:31 Zero__wind: seems fine
09:31 Frostmourne: good
09:31 Frostmourne: not bad map
09:31 Zero__wind: Actually the problem is about the last part
09:31 Zero__wind: may I discuss something with you in the editor?
09:32 Frostmourne: not sure if the last part is a problem
09:32 Zero__wind: I think I made it fited very well
09:33 Zero__wind: but there're many who said that the notes on blue ticks are not satisfying
09:33 Frostmourne: for the last part , they are ok imo
09:33 Frostmourne: now
09:33 Frostmourne: the thing you should fix
09:33 Frostmourne: 00:16:214 (1) -
09:33 Frostmourne: this slider is unintuitive
09:33 Zero__wind: yeah
09:33 Frostmourne: it should end at white
09:34 Zero__wind: yeah I found you also confused by this
09:34 Zero__wind: originally I wanna foloow the background music in this part
09:34 Zero__wind: so I made such stuff
09:34 Zero__wind: hmm, it didn't turn out to good results now
09:35 Zero__wind: mostly, the rhythm in this song is 1/2 all the way
09:35 Frostmourne: believe me
09:35 Frostmourne:
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/65053909:35 Frostmourne: something like this works really better
09:35 Zero__wind: so I tried to floow other things besides drum
09:36 Frostmourne: the first slider end at 00:16:589
09:36 Zero__wind: Oh I will crtainly have a try
09:36 Frostmourne: and start the next slider at 00:16:714 (2) -
09:36 Frostmourne: because why.. because the clap will be impacted more effective
09:36 Frostmourne: when you hit
09:37 Frostmourne: this too 00:20:214 (1,2) -
09:37 Frostmourne: 00:20:214 (1,2,1,2) -
09:37 Frostmourne: don't mean to force
09:37 Frostmourne: but if I were you , I would fix
09:37 Frostmourne: they are the major stuff that should be addressed imo
09:37 Zero__wind: It's really a good idea
09:38 Zero__wind: yeah, modders aaid that the current clap in slidertick is confusing
09:38 Zero__wind: I did know why
09:38 Frostmourne: yes
09:38 Frostmourne: it's confusing
09:38 Frostmourne: 00:43:214 (5) -
09:38 Zero__wind: it feels like the slider has ending
09:38 Frostmourne: this should be far from the (4)
09:38 Zero__wind: ended*
09:38 Frostmourne: yes , you are right
09:38 Zero__wind: but actually it has not
09:39 Frostmourne: that's why it's contraticted
09:39 Frostmourne: contradicted*
09:39 Zero__wind: ok I grabbed that
09:39 Frostmourne: as you hear
09:39 Frostmourne: 00:42:214 (1,2,3,4) -
09:39 Frostmourne: 1 2 3 4
09:39 Frostmourne: the tone of the vocal from adam young
09:39 Zero__wind: will figure out some stuffs with similar structures
09:39 Frostmourne: has the same
09:40 Zero__wind: has the same?
09:40 Frostmourne: so (4) to (5) should be more consistent
09:40 Frostmourne: in order to get it easy
09:40 Frostmourne: try adding NC here 00:42:464 (1) -
09:40 Zero__wind: Oh you mean from 1.84x to 1.11x ?
09:40 Frostmourne: you will see how the new combo fits the vocal
09:41 Frostmourne: from 1.11 to 1.84 ^
09:41 Frostmourne: because this random jump isn't that intuitive if you ask me
09:41 Zero__wind: hmm I see
09:41 Frostmourne: 00:51:214 (5,6) -
09:41 Frostmourne: same idea
09:41 Frostmourne: imagine
09:42 Frostmourne: the same tone in the music but the spacing doesn't go along with your hand
09:42 Frostmourne: when you hover your pen
09:42 Frostmourne: that's just strange
09:42 Zero__wind: you mean that because they're in the same sentence?
09:43 Zero__wind: so it's better that they have similar distance in between and in a same combo?
09:43 Frostmourne: yes
09:43 Frostmourne: in the same combo set
09:43 Frostmourne: it should be something not random
09:44 Zero__wind: hmm, I'll give it try
09:44 Frostmourne: such as , same spacing , gradually increasing with the sequence such as 1.2-1.4-1.6
09:44 Frostmourne: that has a pattern
09:44 Zero__wind: because it's totally different from the way I add NC currently
09:44 Frostmourne: or the spacing that won't overlap with the note in the area
09:44 Frostmourne: yeah
09:44 Frostmourne: quite different
09:44 Frostmourne: believe me , if you get how to use NC
09:45 Frostmourne: maybe you can copy from me
09:45 Frostmourne: so that will work really better
09:45 Zero__wind: the NC pattern now which I made, is foloowing the drum section
09:45 Frostmourne: it should follow the most obvious thing in the music
09:45 Frostmourne: for this music, vocal is the most obvious
09:45 Zero__wind: hmm, convincing
09:45 Zero__wind: yes
09:46 Frostmourne: example 01:26:214 (1,2,3,4,5) -
09:46 Frostmourne: this jump is really well
09:46 Zero__wind: players won't recognize the drum as much as the mapper when actually playing, I understood
09:46 Frostmourne: the spacing is quite similar for every note
09:46 Frostmourne: yeah.. looking through the editor is totally different when you play
09:46 Zero__wind: yeah actually I made it with CTRL SHIFT +D
09:47 Frostmourne: I never use that = =
09:47 Frostmourne: btw, 01:36:964 (4,5) -
09:47 Zero__wind: ha
09:47 Frostmourne: if you get what I mean
09:47 Frostmourne: 01:36:714 (3,4,5) -
09:47 Frostmourne: 3 to 4 to 5
09:47 Frostmourne: listen to the vocal
09:47 Frostmourne: is it a bit peak?
09:48 Zero__wind: yes
09:48 Zero__wind: at 4
09:48 Frostmourne: it sings "swinging down?"
09:48 Zero__wind: oops
09:48 Frostmourne: so I believe it will work better if you use larger spacing
09:48 Frostmourne: for this
09:48 Frostmourne: swinging or singing
09:48 Zero__wind: swing
09:48 Frostmourne: not sure , I can't hear it correctly since I'm not native speaker
09:49 Zero__wind: ha neither am I
09:49 Frostmourne: for the last part
09:49 Frostmourne: I would say they are ok
09:49 Frostmourne: but that's not recommended
09:49 Frostmourne: but if you ask me , I'm ok with that
09:49 Zero__wind: Oh~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`great
09:49 Frostmourne: it fits
09:49 Zero__wind: great relieve