This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Friday, June 19, 2009 at 1:47:28 PM

Artist: Terry S. Taylor
Title: Triangle Square
Source: Neverhood OST
Tags: neverhood guitar
BPM: 118.38
Filesize: 2282kb
Play Time: 01:02
Difficulties Available:

1. Easy (2.05 stars, 73 notes)
2. Hard (4.73 stars, 117 notes)
3. Insane (5 stars, 238 notes)

Download: Terry S. Taylor - Triangle Square
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Yup.

Skin thanks to LuigiHann.

I can see where you had timing problems.

This song has some many "ninja offsets" that just comes right up out of nowhere if you're not careful. And, with that factor, it makes it harder to find a stable BPM.

There of the offsets of where I notice the song "skipping" out of the beat. I might be slightly off though.

Tested BPM: 116.988
1st Tested Offset: 4,325ms
2nd Tested Offset: 8,363ms 7,338ms
3rd Tested Offset: 11,425ms
4th Tested Offset: 16,489ms
5th Tested Offset: 22,579ms
6th Tested Offset: 26,617ms
7th Tested Offset: 31,696ms
8th Tested Offset: 39,773ms
9th Tested Offset: 43,811ms
10th Tested Offset: 47,913ms
11th Tested Offset: 49,900ms
12th Tested Offset: 54,964ms
13th (Final) Tested Offset: 63,041ms

00:43:87 - That pause between this section REALLY made the timing more difficult.

But.... the real problem is to get the notes in sync. If there is a way to counter the "skips" in the song, this map will have a chance of not being nuked.

Note: This is mainly focused on the offset only.
Download: Terry S. Taylor - Triangle Square (strager) [Test Mode].osu

Edit: Some of the offsets might not work out it seems, but its because it somewhat sounds late, even if there was a perfect BPM. I could be wrong, but it was really difficult to time trying to follow an unsteddy beat.

First, I'll tell you what I noticed about the map itself (Only Insane btw). Probably you still have to start working on the hitsounds, but remember to lower the volume when you will.
Avoid off grid beats like 00:34:74 (2) and 01:02:07 (1).
Now, the timing. I'm not good at it but I'll try XD

00:07:36 (5) - I don't think you needed a new offset here, it sounds weird
00:22:29 (7) - Unsnapped
00:34:74 (2) - This sounds a little bit early, but maybe it's better if you leave it like this XD
00:43:81 (1) - This sounds off too, you may need a different offset here
00:49:36 (7) - This one needs a new offset, it's too early on the purple tick and too late on the white one
00:59:54 (10) - This offset doesn't sound good (the whole timing section actually)

here's the thing:
[All Other Difficulties]
I don't know, you should use distance snap, I see your beats are distanced manually, but it's not done so well, like [Easy] 00:49:41 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - some are equidistant and they change (i.e. 4 & 5 are the same, but 5 & 6 are spaced differently, it does the same later on and before. Also here in [Insane] 00:22:80 (2,3,4,5) - 2 & 3 are same distance as 1 from 2, but 2 hits 3 way quicker. anyways, a much easier solution would be to turn on distance snap, turn it on and select your notes with the select tool, once you select them, move them to the distance. eeedit: distance snap helps people read maps, if you've never heard a song, you should know to hit further notes later and hit closer circles quicker.


[Beginner]
I have a feeling you don't REALLY need this difficulty, you do have an Easy

[Normal]
most of the spacing works here, so it's not as difficult to mod as the others.
00:30:18 (4,1) - here, it's illegal in osu to hide sliders under others
00:32:71 (1) - ^
00:34:76 (5) - should be further (this is some of the spacing errors)
00:40:29 (4,5,6) - ^ should be slightly further
00:41:83 (8) - ^
just, ya know, look at the spacing

[Beginner]
this needs more notes. right now i dont think even a seriously mentally challenged person would have trouble SSing. Also, your combos are too long for a map this slow and please try to space your notes better (distance snap is a good tool to check that)
Actually, now that I'm looking at your other difficulties I think it'd be best if you just deleted this diff.


[Easy]
00:06:37 (4) - new combo
00:08:38 (8) - ^
00:18:52 (1) - insert a break after this
00:22:55 (4,8) - new combos
00:26:61 (11) - ^
00:41:83 (5) - hitsound this and add a break after it
00:45:88 (5) - ^
00:53:98 (1) - hitsound
01:02:08 (6) - ^
needs a lot more hitsounds(i dont think you have any) and is a little boring but not bad


[Hard]
your bpm is off...specifically it is slow but don't ask me to time, i suck at it...try increasing it and inheriting everything and see if you cant get it to sound right
00:18:52 (2) - insert break
00:34:23 (4) - set perpendicular to 3
00:53:98 (6) - hitsound
00:54:97 (7) - new combo, stack end under 6
needs more hitsound map is kinda boring


[Insane]
00:18:52 (2) - hitsound + break
00:45:88 (8) - hitsound
01:03:11 (5,1) - ^
map is still a bit zzz but i really do think adding hitsounds would help. since hitsounds are a requirement for ranking/approving maps id suggest you add them now and then call me back and ill look over your map again

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

map is still a bit zzz but i really do think adding hitsounds would help. since hitsounds are a requirement for ranking/approving maps id suggest you add them now and then call me back and ill look over your map again

Well, I suck at hit sounds, and adding them makes the map feel even weirder, IMO. Maybe I should skin some sounds for the map?

(And, the song is kinda zZzZ, so yeah. ;P)

Thanks for catching the missing breaks. I coulda sworn I had them.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

[Hard]
your bpm is off...specifically it is slow but don't ask me to time, i suck at it...try increasing it and inheriting everything and see if you cant get it to sound right

Is this just for Hard or for all the difficulties? I'm sure I use the same timing for all of them.

EDIT: Woops. Seems as if I lost all the changes I made for your mod, SFG. =X /me redoes.

[Overall]
Ouch Beat Volume. Cut?

[Timing]
I think there should be another section:
BPM: 119.500
Offset: 6,376

I think the other sections are fine. (Sounds good)

[Beginner]
I don't think spacing should be a problem here. ;P

[Easy]
00:58:05 (4,5,6) - Spacing? Although I think it's doable... (Haven't tested)
Yes the spacing is variable, but I think it's doable since the beats are following a simple and catchy rhythm.

[Hard]
00:34:23 (4,5) - Meh Spacing.
00:40:04 (3,4) - ^ (Not sure)

[Insane]
00:12:44 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2) - I don't know what to say about this. There are obviously some spacing errors, but if that's intended, then I suggest you contact a BAT.
00:22:80 (2,3,4,5) - Meh spacing. I'm pretty sure this is intended though.
00:40:04 (3,4) - Meh Spacing.
00:41:32 (7,8) - ^
00:44:09 (3,4) - ^
00:45:37 (7,8) - ^
01:02:08 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - Maybe space them abit more far?

- - -

You're free to decline any suggestion listed above.
Starred~

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Bpm:237
Offset 4,347 (not sure on the offset but it's around there)
love this song once you resnap everything make sure to show me =]
really sure this only has one bpm

well as i said i will help with the hit sound tomarrow or some time
plus you need to bulid a better map play wise it is ver repitive

^ commenting on that^
BPM 237 is just your bpm doubled, its not required at all, though do at least round it to 118.5
I didn't check offset, seemed fine to me

err how does one do a hitsound mod with little hitsounds

I'll give hitsound suggestion, cuz if you want me to do it for you, the list will be too long to look at >_<
imo, the hitnotes still a bit loud for this song, down another tick or two

Easy-
umm add a hitsound (whistle > clap imo) to every second note or so, and finish to last note of the light... streams? yea, just keep hitsounds simple for easy
00:10:42 (11) - new combo this (single combo~) and maybe whistle/clap on its own~? (whatever you DIDN'T use for the "every second note" thing)
00:26:63 (4) - ^
00:34:74 (1) - ^, I'm sure you get this pattern
00:41:83 (5) - any hitsound, thats not used in the same combo
00:45:88 (5) - ^
So... dull.... you... really.. need to add hitsounds to spice this up~

Hard-
hmm the "every second note" hitsound thing would suck for this diff, just create some hitsound combination with clap or whistle per combo, and spice up each ending with just a few more hitsounds than the rest of combo...
Like a random example I came up with as 00:04:85 (2,4,1,5,7,8) - add whistles << just example
00:22:58 (1,2,3,4,5) - this does sound nice~ but there's no follow up on it
00:41:83 (2) - same as Easy, etc etc
00:42:84 (1,2) - soft whistles! (don't add whistle-sliderslide hitsound though!)
00:46:89 (1,2) - ^
you can almost get away with not having to add hitsounds for this (since those few hitsounds might be "enough")

Insane- the streams make this a 5 star, but I hardly think it's worth it
hitsound wise, same as hard~ >_<
00:44:61 (5,6) - line up straight? then align next part
00:59:56 (10,11,12) - why is this so much closer?
01:03:61 (1) - ew, no, clap end following no hitsounds sounds bad
Like Hard, you can almost get away with not needing more hitsounds... or keep it very simple?

Note- just "Almost" get away with it

Um... yea, I'm not very good at commenting on how to make hitsounds, rather just follow up on your own~
Add some and ask me to look again if you want?

Enough for Star~

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- All:
I feel as if the offset is slightly off. I'm pretty sure it's just me, so I won't check it.

- Insane:
00:26:63 (8) - New combo.
00:49:30 (5) - Not quite sure whether or not people will pick up on this. I suggest moving it closer to (4). This goes for the rest of the things like this.

- Easy:
00:06:37 (4) - New combo.

I really like this map. Everything looks ok for me. I was trying to mod it but i didnt seen anything wrong with it. Star, go~

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Hard:
00:10:17 (5) - Clap.
01:00:06 (1,2,3) - I think these should go left so you move around the map more.

@_@ Starred.

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It's not recommended to put offsets on the exact note. This can cause trouble with hitsounds changing and stuff. So place it 1/1 beat before

[Easy]
00:23:09 (2) - Sounds weird because of the car claxon.

Nothing else to find.

Starred

All difficulties feel fine about spacing, skin (i lol'd xD) and such, but timing feels weird:
The section from 0:50:00 to 0:55:00 and some beats feel very late to me.

I dunno, maybe this map needs more offsets?

EDIT: feels way better now