2013-05-29 04:26 D33d: Fancy testing this very early WIP after your multiplaying?
2013-05-29 04:48 Duboodie: hai
2013-05-29 04:48 Duboodie: wow
2013-05-29 04:48 Duboodie: sorry didnt see the message o.o
2013-05-29 04:48 Duboodie: and sure bro, i dont mind testing xD
2013-05-29 04:49 D33d: Don't worry
2013-05-29 04:49 D33d: Your playing ability's fairly good, right? This isn't that hard, but it has a few streams.
2013-05-29 04:49 Duboodie: yeah dude im pro
2013-05-29 04:50 Duboodie: i promis
2013-05-29 04:50 Duboodie: i can stream 220 bpm and read AR10 and alternate 300+ BPM so i'll survive xD
2013-05-29 04:51 D33d: Sweet
2013-05-29 04:51 D33d: ACTION is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/256819 Jacob Morris ft. David Gray - Harmless Minor [Insane]]
2013-05-29 04:51 D33d: Just the start and end for now, so you'll have to skip in the editor.
2013-05-29 04:51 Duboodie: 117 BPM insane?
2013-05-29 04:52 Duboodie: well damn you're skillful
2013-05-29 04:52 D33d: Haha.
2013-05-29 04:52 Duboodie: ACTION is playing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/256819 Jacob Morris ft. David Gray - Harmless Minor [Insane]] -NoFail
2013-05-29 04:52 D33d: DT makes it a bit of a challenge.
2013-05-29 04:52 Duboodie: u say o.o
2013-05-29 04:53 Duboodie: ill try dt after playing it once xD
2013-05-29 04:53 Duboodie: long first break ment to be there? o.o
2013-05-29 04:55 D33d: Yeah like I said, I've only mapped the start and end for now.
2013-05-29 04:55 Duboodie: oh
2013-05-29 04:55 D33d: Editor'll be better, unless you want to hear the whole song.
2013-05-29 04:55 Duboodie: waiting for end
2013-05-29 04:56 D33d: Haha, okay.
2013-05-29 04:56 D33d: Enjoy the bloopy music.
2013-05-29 04:56 Duboodie: ahhh
2013-05-29 04:57 Duboodie: i noticed that a bit at the end is almost identical to the bit at the start
2013-05-29 04:58 Duboodie: but its like the intro/outro thing ive seen heaps of maps do that, it'll feel better when u map the middle
2013-05-29 04:58 D33d: Basically--I want the familiarity to tie up the start and end, but I will try to add some variance.
2013-05-29 04:58 D33d: Does it feel fine? My only concern was keeping the syncopation readable.
2013-05-29 04:58 Duboodie: everything is readable
2013-05-29 04:58 Duboodie: but in terms of feeling
2013-05-29 04:59 Duboodie: ehh let me check
2013-05-29 05:00 Duboodie: ok personally i never worked with this style of mapping but i kind of feel that putting sort of huge spaces between 1/4 notes regardless of the bpm just feels weird
2013-05-29 05:01 D33d: Huge spaces?
2013-05-29 05:01 D33d: Oh. The spacing increase isn't that big.
2013-05-29 05:01 Duboodie: its not huge
2013-05-29 05:01 Duboodie: not at all
2013-05-29 05:01 D33d: Yeah I see what you mean--I generally do that so that things don't overlap outside of obvious streams.
2013-05-29 05:01 D33d: I try to place the slight jumps where there's an obvious push in the music too.
2013-05-29 05:01 Duboodie: but it felt weird that the slider that ended on a blue line was followed by a slider on a white line but it was really spaced
2013-05-29 05:01 D33d: I guess so.
2013-05-29 05:02 D33d: I might just increase the SV, 'cause it feels rather tame at the moment.
2013-05-29 05:02 Duboodie: dunno, the SV seems fine o.o
2013-05-29 05:02 D33d: That or just decrease the spacing slightly?
2013-05-29 05:02 D33d: Ah.
2013-05-29 05:02 D33d: Yeah I could shorten those spacings without overlapping.
2013-05-29 05:02 Duboodie: its already pretty high for this bpm, but there's probably no other intresting way of making an intresting insane diff =p
2013-05-29 05:03 D33d: I wouldn't call it high at all.
2013-05-29 05:03 Duboodie: you know this little stream
2013-05-29 05:03 Duboodie: 00:32:327 (8,9,10,11,12) -
2013-05-29 05:03 D33d: Matter of taste and all, but I generally find that slower songs should use faster sliders.
2013-05-29 05:03 D33d: Yeah.
2013-05-29 05:03 Duboodie: i honestly expect the same spacing between those sliders o.o
2013-05-29 05:03 Duboodie: slightly overlapping
2013-05-29 05:04 D33d: See, I actually compressed the streams to 0.8x.
2013-05-29 05:04 Duboodie: but its easier to read because it suggest to the player at the next slider is starting really quick (1/4) without looking at the approach circle
2013-05-29 05:04 D33d: Having regular spacing makes the edges overlap and it'd look and feel really odd.
2013-05-29 05:04 Duboodie: let me check
2013-05-29 05:04 Duboodie: if it looks ugly xD
2013-05-29 05:05 D33d: I shortened the spacing just a little bit.
2013-05-29 05:05 D33d: Problem is that if I shorten it like [http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/781032 this,] the 1/4 blankets probably won't work as well.
2013-05-29 05:05 Duboodie: idk man, 0.8 looks fine, sure it overlaps but it maintains consistency through all 1/4 notes
2013-05-29 05:05 D33d: I guess.
2013-05-29 05:06 Duboodie: thats only my opinion though =s
2013-05-29 05:06 D33d: Yeah.
2013-05-29 05:06 D33d: See I like slight jumps for some things and it can work well in this type of context.
2013-05-29 05:06 Duboodie: xD
2013-05-29 05:06 Duboodie: well
2013-05-29 05:06 D33d: Though I'll admit that I can be too anal about presentation.
2013-05-29 05:07 D33d: I reduced them a bit for now anyway, since the difference should be obvious.
2013-05-29 05:07 Duboodie: your presentation is top quality
2013-05-29 05:07 D33d: Thanks.
2013-05-29 05:07 Duboodie: im impressed that you can map a slow song like this and still make it a challange
2013-05-29 05:07 D33d: I get you anyway.
2013-05-29 05:08 Duboodie: without messing up the settings and highly overmapping
2013-05-29 05:08 D33d: Well, it has plenty of funky rhythms. Alternating between the different lines makes it really dense.
2013-05-29 05:08 D33d: I could certainly overmap slightly towards the end, but sticking loosely to one rhythm consistently makes great things happen.
2013-05-29 05:08 Duboodie: mhm
2013-05-29 05:10 Duboodie: another evil technique you can use (instead of slightly overlapping them) you could just put it right under the slider
2013-05-29 05:10 Duboodie: makes it harder to play with hidden though xD
2013-05-29 05:10 Duboodie: but idunno i nver liked that, though ive seen val0108 use it, and a lot of other mappers
2013-05-29 05:10 D33d: I've never been privy to sliderstacks, even when I didn't know what I was doing.
2013-05-29 05:11 D33d: I just find that it flows awkwardly, looks nasty and yeah. Makes it really difficult with hidden.
2013-05-29 05:11 Duboodie: yeah no1 really likes it
2013-05-29 05:11 Duboodie: im glad its not overused
2013-05-29 05:12 D33d: I can see its merit in certain cases, but yeah.
2013-05-29 05:13 Duboodie: idunno, its easy to get used to your current snap distance
2013-05-29 05:13 Duboodie: you could probably keep it
2013-05-29 05:13 D33d: I probably will, just so that things feel tight.
2013-05-29 05:14 Duboodie: but i still think 1/4 notes should have consistent snap distance, idk
2013-05-29 05:14 Duboodie: i was told that its possible to make a great map without using distance snap at all
2013-05-29 05:14 Duboodie: so it wont hurt =p
2013-05-29 05:15 Duboodie: may i ask about the background by the way?
2013-05-29 05:15 Duboodie: is that... Jarby?
2013-05-29 05:15 D33d: You can make something that works and feels jumpy, as long as it's consistent.
2013-05-29 05:15 D33d: It's Kotetsu from 'Tiger & Bunny.' Jarby's obsessed with him.
2013-05-29 05:15 Duboodie: oh hahaha xD
2013-05-29 05:16 Duboodie: idk im still butthurt about that distance
2013-05-29 05:17 Duboodie: maybe make them JUST touch the sides
2013-05-29 05:17 Duboodie: 0 pixels between =p
2013-05-29 05:23 Duboodie: anyway, you're doing a good job, i have to go now, jesus fuck its past 5 am T_T
2013-05-29 05:23 Duboodie: i wanted to show you my new map but i'll do some other time since you're mapping right now
2013-05-29 05:23 Duboodie: goodnight cya xD
2013-05-30 12:42 Duboodie: yo
2013-05-30 12:43 Duboodie: how's your map doing?
2013-05-30 12:43 D33d: Getting there.
2013-05-30 12:44 D33d: I need to map maybe sixteen bars and eight of those will be long sliders and stuff.
2013-05-30 12:44 Duboodie: oh no, long sliders
2013-05-30 12:44 Duboodie: hard to make them look good
2013-05-30 12:48 Duboodie: damn i keep thinking you're a mapper and not a player but ur like 4k rank how good r u? xD
2013-05-30 12:48 D33d: I don't really play; I just play loads.
2013-05-30 12:48 D33d: That and I can be pretty accurate when I try.
2013-05-30 12:49 Duboodie: well my accuracy... blows... but i can pass some pretty difficulty maps and even double time some insanes
2013-05-30 12:50 Duboodie: so im not a player that full combos stuff, i find it more fun to keep my health bar from dropping to 0 than accuracy from 100% =s
2013-05-30 12:51 Duboodie: i wanna see u play
2013-05-30 12:52 Duboodie: oh
2013-05-30 12:52 Duboodie: you're testing map, my bad
2013-05-30 12:52 D33d: Just playing it
2013-05-30 12:52 D33d: redownload this one and watch me again, I suppose
2013-05-30 12:52 Duboodie: my bad, i honestly through you're just having some fun =p
2013-05-30 12:53 D33d: Nah it's cool.
2013-05-30 12:53 Duboodie: you stream with m1/m2?
2013-05-30 12:54 Duboodie: love mouse players <3
2013-05-30 12:55 D33d: Yeah
2013-05-30 12:55 D33d: Still a bit awkward, but it feels nice all the same.
2013-05-30 12:55 Duboodie: its looking good, those long sliders though, would it work if u slowed them down to make them shorter? o.o
2013-05-30 12:55 D33d: Ehh
2013-05-30 12:55 Duboodie: or long sliders part of your presentation?
2013-05-30 12:56 D33d: I'd rather have them longer
2013-05-30 12:56 D33d: More impressive for choruses and stuff
2013-05-30 12:56 Duboodie: alright its ur preference =p
2013-05-30 12:56 Duboodie: ur style
2013-05-30 12:56 D33d: Maybe I could make their layout look more balanced?
2013-05-30 12:57 D33d: I'm open to any suggestions.
2013-05-30 12:57 Duboodie: i'd guess thats where OCD mappers come in
2013-05-30 12:57 D33d: Yeah.
2013-05-30 12:57 Duboodie: shape the slider to make it symetrical
2013-05-30 12:57 Duboodie: in the center of the screen
2013-05-30 12:57 Duboodie: OR
2013-05-30 12:58 Duboodie: just shape it on a side, and then next long slider would be an exact shape on the other side
2013-05-30 12:58 Duboodie: i never liked symetrical maps but they really suit osu!stream
2013-05-30 12:58 D33d: Could possibly do that.
2013-05-30 12:58 Duboodie: also
2013-05-30 12:58 Duboodie: why Jarby's yes censored?
2013-05-30 12:58 Duboodie: lawl
2013-05-30 12:59 Duboodie: eyes*
2013-05-30 12:59 D33d: Maybe it's a humorous attempt to prevent copyright action or something, I dunno.
2013-05-30 12:59 D33d: That isn't Jarby thguh.
2013-05-30 12:59 D33d: though
2013-05-30 12:59 D33d: It's Kotetsu.
2013-05-30 12:59 Duboodie: i know u told me
2013-05-30 12:59 D33d: oh k
2013-05-30 12:59 Duboodie: it was ment to be a joke
2013-05-30 12:59 Duboodie: but anyway
2013-05-30 12:59 D33d: teehee
2013-05-30 12:59 Duboodie: WOAH
2013-05-30 12:59 Duboodie: OD9?
2013-05-30 12:59 Duboodie: why?
2013-05-30 13:00 Duboodie: thats so evil
2013-05-30 13:00 D33d: The song's pretty consistent, so I'm giving it a go with this for now.
2013-05-30 13:00 D33d: As in, the timing's spot-on and it should make it easy to play accurately.
2013-05-30 13:00 Duboodie: what about spinners?
2013-05-30 13:01 D33d: I can manage the spinners well enough--they're at least a bar long.
2013-05-30 13:01 Duboodie: nvm its pretty easy to spin it out
2013-05-30 13:01 D33d: mm
2013-05-30 13:01 Duboodie: hard to get bonus though
2013-05-30 13:01 Duboodie: i love your choice of AR
2013-05-30 13:01 Duboodie: some mappers would chose AR7 at this bpm
2013-05-30 13:01 D33d: Yeah, 8 usually works.
2013-05-30 13:01 Duboodie: its not fast enough for AR9
2013-05-30 13:01 D33d: I definitely wouldn't--that just feels slow.
2013-05-30 13:02 D33d: AR9 is rarely appropriate, at least in my opinion.
2013-05-30 13:02 Duboodie: next biggest AR is 8 so good choice
2013-05-30 13:02 Duboodie: love circle size
2013-05-30 13:02 Duboodie: you as a mouse player understand the importance of big cricles xD
2013-05-30 13:02 D33d: Pretty much. Besides, I would never use anything smaller now.
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2013-05-31 14:56 D33d: I'll let you see it without the mods
2013-05-31 14:56 Duboodie: i already tested it haha
2013-05-31 14:56 D33d: OH
2013-05-31 14:56 D33d: k, does it feel okay?
2013-05-31 14:56 Duboodie: why do u think i redownloaded it
2013-05-31 14:57 D33d: Haha, fair enough.
2013-05-31 14:57 Duboodie: and yeah though did u increase the circle size?
2013-05-31 14:57 D33d: Of course.
2013-05-31 14:57 Duboodie: i'd keep the size the same as insane, then u can make bigger circles in normal and easy
2013-05-31 14:57 Duboodie: kind of distinguishing the difficulty a bit more
2013-05-31 14:58 D33d: Nah. I like to keep ENH feeling more consistent together, with insane being a radical departure.
2013-05-31 14:58 D33d: Plus, as dated as the concept might seem, the iNiS way is always to have ENH with similar settings and then insane with smaller circles.
2013-05-31 14:59 Duboodie: so you're not gonna make easy any bigger circles?
2013-05-31 14:59 D33d: Plus, ENH with big circles and long sliders looks sex.
2013-05-31 14:59 D33d: Actually, yes.
2013-05-31 14:59 Duboodie: oh thats alright then
2013-05-31 14:59 D33d: With the gigantic circles being added last year, I have the perfect setup.
2013-05-31 15:00 Duboodie: i just dont think you should have the same circle size on easy and hard, but it gets bigger than this doesnt it
2013-05-31 15:00 D33d: Easy CS2, Normal and hard CS3 and Insane CS4. It works every time now, unless hard's the hardest.
2013-05-31 15:00 Duboodie: ohh okay thats fine then
2013-05-31 15:00 Duboodie: is there CS1 as well?
2013-05-31 15:01 Duboodie: as a setting, not your mapset i mean
2013-05-31 15:01 Duboodie: damn it i need to spend more time mapping easier diffs
2013-05-31 15:01 D33d: True, although easy would differ anyway, in that there's a chasm between it and normal.
2013-05-31 15:01 D33d: CS1 isn't rankable, but it's hackable.
2013-05-31 15:01 Duboodie: oh u mean editing the .osu file
2013-05-31 15:01 D33d: Learning to make ENH fun will work wonders for your overall ability.
2013-05-31 15:02 D33d: Yeah, it's just changing one number.
2013-05-31 15:02 Duboodie: yeah
2013-05-31 15:02 Duboodie: or using Easy mod im guessing?
2013-05-31 15:02 Duboodie: (never used it in my life haha)
2013-05-31 15:02 Duboodie: that doesnt have anything to do with mapping though
2013-05-31 15:03 D33d: Easy mod means that CS1 can exist, yeah.
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2013-06-02 18:29 Duboodie: is the hard diff finished?
2013-06-02 18:30 D33d: Yeah.
2013-06-02 18:30 Duboodie: ill take a look at it in a min xD
2013-06-02 18:53 Duboodie: haha idk why but i loved this part 01:03:609 (1,2,3,4,5) -
2013-06-02 18:53 Duboodie: you fit that in quite well
2013-06-02 18:54 Duboodie: good AR, good OD, not sure about the HP drain though
2013-06-02 18:55 Duboodie: just my opinion ^ anyway nice job, ima go grab something to eat
2013-06-02 18:55 D33d: Huh, too low?
2013-06-02 18:56 Duboodie: yeah i passed first part with 68% accuracy
2013-06-02 18:56 D33d: It's 6, so it's middling.
2013-06-02 18:56 Duboodie: u could bump it up by 1, but i dont think it matters that much
2013-06-02 18:57 D33d: Huh, I'll try increasing it. You can post something in the thread if you like. Just to get the modding ball rolling.

20:54 Blue Dragon: I really don't enjoy stuff like not mapping strictly to the music, but there's some places where it feels weird to not have a beat (mostly because of the nature of the song)
20:54 Blue Dragon: e.g. 00:58:609
20:54 Blue Dragon: 00:58:609 -
20:54 D33d: Well yeah.
20:54 D33d: Let's see
20:54 D33d: Oh yeah.
20:55 Blue Dragon: Also, I don't get some of the manual stacking
20:55 D33d: See I did that because there's an obvious stop in the groove, so I wasn't sure if it was worth following that or not.
20:55 D33d: If it was all regular stacking, there'd be some really ugly overlaps from it.
20:55 Blue Dragon: If you're going by the flow, then there should be a note there, but if you're more interested in following the music and all of that, then let it be like that
20:56 D33d: Yeah, I mostly wanted to give the section impact, since there's a change in feel. I'll bear it in mind anyway.
20:56 Blue Dragon: Very nice sliders at the slow part
20:56 D33d: Thank you
20:57 D33d: I've never had an excuse to use long wiggles, other than that Ellie Goulding marathon, jesus christ that map.
20:57 Blue Dragon: 03:01:558 (5,6,7,8,9) - IMO, this triangle should have each stack spaced further away, like jumps, giving more impact
20:57 D33d: Could be a good idea, as long as I can make it feel consistent.
20:58 D33d: My main concern there is keeping the gap after the stream readable and working from there.
20:58 D33d: Just jumps for all of the combo?
20:58 Blue Dragon: 03:14:122 (5,1) - The flow between the end of (5) and the way (1) goes really doesn't feel nice for me
20:58 D33d: Really? I actually really like that.
20:59 D33d: Since it sort of flows in a pronounced rotary way
20:59 Blue Dragon: I don't think it will be a problem if you only space (6,7) and (8,9) further away from the center in that case
20:59 D33d: Probably not, but you know me and my consistence and there's the same emphasis on all of those.
20:59 Blue Dragon: Also, I dunno, but it's probably because I'm a flow-inspired mapper
21:00 D33d: True, but I actually like that in regards to flow too.
21:00 D33d: Then again, my preference tends to involve lots of sharp turns.
21:00 D33d: Helpful points anyway, so post in the thread if you want kudosu.
21:00 Blue Dragon: 03:40:276 (4,5) - This miiiiiiight be unpredictable because of the slow AR, but I cannot give you any suggestions of how you should do it instead
21:01 D33d: Oh that? I can just space it normally, though I figured that the jumps would speak for themeslves.
21:02 D33d: I just did it as a climactic thing, so it was admittedly slightly forced.
21:02 Blue Dragon: Well, I wouldn't mind it if it was at the start of the song
21:02 D33d: Wait, really?
21:02 Blue Dragon: but it's the last combo and it'd be frustrating to miss right at the end
21:03 D33d: Oh, in that sense, yeah.
21:03 Blue Dragon: because of a kind of unpredictable jump
21:03 Blue Dragon: and it's not really the flow/style's fault, but AR
21:03 Blue Dragon: since it doesn't really make it clear it's 1/4
21:03 D33d: Somewhat, though from my experience with this place, I don't even know what an "unpredictable jump" is anymore.
21:03 D33d: Really?
21:04 Blue Dragon: Well, on my sightread run I 50'd it because I couldn't get the rhythm from the approach circles
21:04 Blue Dragon: and I'm a somewhat good Easymod/low AR player
21:04 Blue Dragon: but that may be also because I didn't know the song, so yeah
21:04 D33d: I'd hope that the spacing indicates it enough, since it's much closer than the 1/2.
21:04 D33d: Oh well.
21:04 Blue Dragon: just for consideration