Liiraye wrote:

M4M!

General
Ok. First of all you have the wrong offset. Use this 4357, resnap all notes
You need a second timing point here 19652 (ctrl+p), resnap all notes again and have your spinner end here 00:21:833
Recheck all your green timing points and change them accordingly
Remember to fix the spinner ends of all your diffs after the timing change

ok I changed the offset slightly because I was getting some late hits as well. Happens if you change the bitrate of the mp3 after mapping everything with the 320kbps original...

I can't see the need for a second timing point. The whole song is arranged with one BPM and no changes.

Beginner
00:26:742 (2,3) These could be coated better slightly
00:37:106 end spinner here ending on 1/8
01:03:288 NC
01:31:106 NC
01:31:652 remove NC
01:34:379 NC
01:31:106 (1,2) coat better ok
01:53:470 (1,2,3) Align these straight I liked the slight variation but you couldn't notice it anyway while playing so might as well make it a straight line for being pretty in the editor
02:08:742 NC
02:11:470 (2,3) coat these two ok ok
02:30:561 NC
02:52:379 NC
03:03:288 (1,2) the distance between the two seem too short perfect 0,8x spacing with slight displacement due to grid snapping
03:04:379 (3,4) coat better
03:09:833 NC
03:18:561 NC

Advanced
00:50:197 (1,2,3) All these three can be coated better
00:58:924 (1,2,3) same here
01:01:652 (3,4) coat better
01:07:652 (1,2,3) and here
01:22:652 coat these better also ok, have to disable grid snapping and go over all of the blankets again to make sure this wont be brought up again
01:22:924 remove NC removed
01:25:106 NC why? no change here
01:25:652 (5,6,1) coat these better
01:31:106 NC
01:31:652 remove NC
01:34:379 (5) NC
01:38:197 NC
01:42:561 NC
01:42:833 note here
01:46:652 NC
01:49:652 (2,3,4) would look cool if you coated these right. done
01:52:379 (4) this slider should end here instead 01:53:470 (thus removing the next combo 1) no, the percussions are in a 3/4 pattern
02:04:379 remove NC changed
02:08:742 NC
02:21:833 NC
02:27:015 (2,3) coat better
02:34:652 (5,1,2) same here
02:44:742 (5,1) coat better
02:44:742 (5,3) stack better
02:54:833 (1,1,1,1) remove NC
03:03:288 (1,2,1,2) these should be symmetrical right. looks better now
03:04:379 (2,3,4) coat better done with the symmetrical rearrangement
03:18:561 NC
03:27:288 NC
03:31:652 NC
03:36:833 (2,3) coat better
03:44:742 (1,2,3) coat better

Challenging
00:22:895 (4,5) You could coat these better, but I also think that the unsnapped distance there feels a bit awkward placed them better to have minimal overlapping for the crossing. Unsnapped distance? What is that? If you mean the 0,6x compressed stream distance that is still used here then: yes, this is intended
00:24:833 (2,4) Make these equally distanced my bad...
00:37:106 end your spinner here I will end the spinners 1/8 before the downbeat which is the exact last note in the drum roll
00:51:015 00:51:561 remove these two NC's and keep the one in the middle the NCs in these parts are non-negotiable because they are the theme of this map
00:55:652 make this combo a 1/4 repeat and remove this note 00:56:061 hmm I tried but it doesn't make any sense. I'll stick to the baseline for this combo
01:04:924 add note here and move 01:05:061 this slider here 01:05:197 and you might want to ctrl+G it ok I kinda see what you want me to do here but I came up with a slightly different solution
01:08:197 fix this slider like the similar one I pointed out earlier with NC's again the NCs are the theme and will stay
01:30:015 this one feels timed wrong, I highly suggest removing 1 repeat on it and placing a note there instead it is not wrong. it just follows the 1/6 rhythm of the vocals
01:34:379 two sliders here sounds so much better and follows the vocals like this (use your own slider style) http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/886295 I like the predictable baseline follow for this combo
02:40:379 (6,7,8) Do this instead, http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/886313 place the sliders however you wish, but use these lenghts might try something similar for the lower diffs but here I think the mix of baseline follow with vocal follow is just perfect
03:27:288 I'd shorten this by 1 repeat and add a note or slider after instead 1/6 endings are hard to predict...almost frustrating. I'll stick to the 3-repeat sliders because this is one of the really rare instances those actually make any sense

Card N'FoRcE wrote:

I was waiting for this. And you already helped alot with your feedback during tha actual mapping process

- General: (Considerations and things you need to check/fix for the whole map)

• This mod will make the map 20% cooler. awwww yizz

- Beginner:

1. .Opinions: (Just some thoughts, I'd personally like if you follow them)
   02:04:356 (3) - this gives me orgasms. "And this is how you do it, kids." - p3n
2. .Suggestions: (Fixing this should make gameplay/aesthetics a bit better)
   00:56:174 - a beat here would be very intuitive, also you used it already in 02:39:810 (4,5) good catch. Added a slider to match the beat and the following 1/2 (also the transition was much easier to do without changing much of the next pattern)
   
   A little thing i noticed. Every 1/1 spaced beat generates exactly one followpoint That works incredibly well for the choice you did not to overlap 1/2 spaced beats, so here's a few little fixes regarding that: this is a really nice way of saying "dude you fucked up the spacings here!" - I like that
   00:50:174 (3) - 02:34:901 (3) - this generates 2 followpoints instead of one. fixed to 0,8x
   01:29:174 (3) - this generates 2 followpoints instead of one. fixed to slightly below 1,2x
   01:38:174 (4) - unfortunately this generates a followpoint, even if it's hidden and barely visible. sub-pixel slider anchor movement to the rescue!
   02:12:537 (3) - 03:22:356 (3) - unfortunately this generates a followpoint, even if it's hidden and barely visible. ok this was easy to fix
   02:47:719 (3) - this generates 2 followpoints instead of one. ok this needs 1,16x instead of 1,2x to generate only one...weird
3. .Errors/Mistakes: (Bad gameplay issues or badly applied changes)
   00:34:901 (1) - the end of the spinner was snapped to the blue tick before :p yeeees I will change it back to 1/4. I was listening to the spinner ending countless times with various speed settings and the 1/4 ending works so much better with the clap

I went on and took care of 3 other places where 2 followpoints appeared instead of 1


- Advanced:

1. .Opinions: (Just some thoughts, I'd personally like if you follow them)
   Raise AR to 6 and OD to 5? Doing this would also make those values scale better to the other difficulties' (beginner has AR4 OD3, challenging has AR8 OD7) Don't worry about the star rating, it would go from 4.18 to 4.22 and wouldn't mess up your spread. ok so back to the original settings I started out with these exact settings but when I was at the 50% milestone the star rating went nuts and was 4.74
2. .Suggestions: (Fixing this should make gameplay/aesthetics a bit better)
   01:56:719 (4) - missing drum-finish on the repetition? oops
   01:58:901 (2,3) - i think the drum-claps are weird here indeed...drum finish was intended
   02:55:901 (1,1) - the only drum whistles in the whole map? xD Well i actually think they fit well, why not use them for the other difficulties as well? I changed it to normal sampleset just like in challenging and beginner
3. .Errors/Mistakes: (Bad gameplay issues or badly applied changes)
   00:34:901 (1) - the end of the spinner was snapped to the blue tick before :p yeees yeeeesssss
   02:02:174 (1) - missing normal-sampleset at the beginning it is there oO

- Challenging:

1. .Opinions: (Just some thoughts, I'd personally like if you follow them)
   Mandatory "PLS PLS PLS HP6, CS5, AR8, OD8 PLS PLS PLS". don't tempt me...
2. .Suggestions: (Fixing this should make gameplay/aesthetics a bit better)
   00:55:492 (5) - (nazi) 1 or 2 grid to the left? There's not a slider before this so the same "bumpness" of the other patterns doesn't really work well. My mistake. This must have happened when I applied changes for the mod before. Fixed!
   03:15:810 (1,2,3,4) - should be "rainbow"'d like 02:05:992 (1,1,1,1) HOW COULD I MISS THIS
3. .Errors/Mistakes: (Bad gameplay issues or badly applied changes)
   00:34:901 (1) - the end of the spinner was snapped to the blue tick before :p still yeeeessss

EDIT: i see you specified that you changed the spinners on purpose, but i still belive they work better if snapped on the /4 from a playing perspective (and they sound better because the drums go in "pairs" in that section, while the clap sound doesn't :< ) I know I know...I spend some time to think about it and in the end I came back to the way I originally mapped it

CDFA wrote:

It's funny because dkun asked me to mod this and it was already next in queue priority so like um

I'm here for both, lol oh right, I remember your queue

Insane:
00:04:356 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Song-related issue, but I'm always confused by what this is following. It's not so much your fault as it is the ambiguity of the song right here I had two options: mapping exactly after the melody or setting the pace for the "slow" 110 BPM with sliders. I wanted to do the more accessible way becase this remix seems not fit for a really hardcore/extreme mapping style.
00:23:446 (5) - This seems confusingly close to (4). It might be easier to read if it was moved I know exactly what you mean. The reason why I used the 0,60x distance spacing for the two sliders was the overall cursor speed for this whole combo is very consistent. It is basically a long compressed "stream" even if it is slow. Having the 1,00x distance for (4,5) makes for a weird "jumpy" movement here. It is tricky to read this on distance alone but it should feel much more smooth.
00:34:901 (1) - I'd rather have this end on the white tick. Like I know what you're mapping to having it on the blue tick, but it sounds incomplete doing it there I had so much trouble finding a good solution for this part. I know it would feel more comfortable to end on the downbeat but it would add something that, when you know this song because you've heard it countless times, just feels wrong because there is nothing on this silent downbeat to match the spinner ending. Also silencing the ending to match the silent downbeat feels dirty for me. I am not 100% happy with how it turned out but I just can't see a solution that works better at the moment.
00:42:537 (1,2) - Move this to avoid possible overlap? moved (1) a bit to reduce the overlap with 00:41:992 (1) - (now less than 50% are covered and it should be easier to read)
00:50:992 (1,2,1,2,1) - Why the different combocolors here? the THEME!!! I always do something to a) make something "unique" that fits the whole map+song+bg+meta concept and b) annoy everyone while doing so
00:59:446 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - ^
01:08:446 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - ^
01:09:537 (2) - Would play a lot more natural if this note was at roughly y:350 or something on the y-axis OK, tried different positions and keeping the jump distance for the next part is tricky.
02:04:356 (5) - Raise the endpoint a little bit so it seems more like a completed curve rather than a messed up shape yup, fixed the whole curve a bit and moved a bit to the middle of the previous triangle pattern to make it blend in better
02:06:128 (1,1,1) - Remove NC
02:26:719 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - ^
02:45:674 (5) - Even out the spacing here since (4) and (1) are the same distance on the timeline makes sense. Even if the spacings for the slider streams are consistent, the transition between patterns was not 100% clear.
02:50:174 (1) - Make this curve more notable (Try to blanket (2) maybe?) Definitely! Had to cut the distance a bit but looks much cleaner now.
02:58:628 (1) - WOOOOOOOOO (It's really sudden and without a tick or something and it feels weird in comparison to the rest of the map being very relaxed) WOOOOOOOOOO - ok I'll take the advice and I'll put this on the "probably overdid it here"-list. I'll experiment with different SV multipliers or shapes to see if I can find something worthy to replace this one (because somehow it fits sooooo well)
03:15:946 (1,1,1) - Remove NC
03:36:537 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - ^
03:45:537 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - ^

Hard:
00:31:628 (1,1,1) - Remove NC
00:34:901 (1) - Same as Insane
00:40:356 (4) - Is this going for a ~ slider look? think of it like a ~ form but instead of the slider add the (5) circle to the pattern to make it complete since it fits the wubwub with that nice ending touch on (5)
01:02:174 (4) - This curve is so small that it looks like a mistake fixed curve and rearranged pattern slightly
01:58:901 (2) - This curve should be a little more notable. Right now it looks almost straight changed to have both curves almost identical and rearranged following slider to fix spacing
02:54:810 (1,1,1,1) - Remove NC

Normal:
00:30:537 (1,2) - Like it's fine theoretically but I have a thing against large straight sliders like this. I'll point it out as a concern but you don't like desperately need to change it I agree it is a bit of a lazy pattern. I changed it to something more sophisticated

p3n is best BAT I don't know about that. I hope moving and therefore spending considerable less time commuting will free up enough time for me to be active again

sheela901 wrote:

[Beginner]
02:04:356 (3) - Move the little red square down to one grid and two gird to the left the position is the exact position to match the drumroll in the song. I can't change it without calling the wrath of multiple osu-gods on me.
02:42:537 (2) - NC? hmmmm...can't see why
02:54:537 (1,2,3,4) - Something like this? right, the pattern looks crooked right now. I didn't use your exact pattern but a slight variation of it.
picture

[Advanced]
01:31:083 (6) - NC? doesn't fit the beat pattern imo
02:46:901 (3) - Ctrl+J, Ctrl+H and Ctrl+G? hmm looks interesting but I don't like the partial overlap of the sliders. I changed the curve a bit to avoid it. Feels smooth.

[Challenging]
00:32:719 - Put the slider velocity at 1.10x; 00:33:265 - at 0.90x; 00:33:810 - at 0.70x; 00:34:356 - at 0.50x ascending SV multipliers work better with the buildup of the song imo. It is a nice suggestion but I can't use it with the direction I had in mind for this particular difficulty

Good Luck! Thanks!

ZLOdeuka- wrote:

hi! m4m!

OMG, bg <3 wait until you see CnF's SB o.o

[Beginner]

00:34:901 (1) - need to finish it here 00:37:083 and go to the next tick and click "Insert Break Time" the draintime with the OD here allows for <50% hp to survive this without problem. I'd like to keep this part clean without flashing arrows. But your point is valid...it is not a very "clean" way I am using here

01:46:901 (1) - remove new combo fixed!

[Advanced]

01:23:992 (3) - may do so http://puu.sh/3WTNy.jpg tried it...but I can't do it without changing the following combo and with that all the follow ups will break apart. I will leave it like this and just look at the slider tick that is almost on the horizon and feel slightly more happy with this pattern

01:57:810 (1,2) - spacing. 01:58:628 (x) add circle added circle

[Challenging]

00:25:628 (5) - align the end of a 00:24:810 (2) Combo I tried but the slider would have to be faster with ~1,04x BPM and I don't want to do that ;_; I hope nobody notices this in play-mode

01:52:083 (8) - http://puu.sh/3WUQN.jpg think it sounds better yes also sounds very good - but I want to keep the focus on the background percussion here

http://puu.sh/3WV6G.png I do not know whether there are reasons it... I probably would argue with you about that hmm they are the different slider speeds and one sampleset change

02:58:628 (1) - it may be worth a warning? hmmm I think the missing slider ticks are enough to tell but I'll consider it

your map is ideal. I can not find fault with anything ._. ♥

Nice map and song!!! :3