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Silver Forest - Kero (9) Revolution

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blissfulyoshi
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Friday, October 30, 2009 at 2:13:09 PM

Artist: Silver Forest
Title: Kero (9) Revolution
Source: Touhou
Tags: Kero (9) Destiny Beloved Tomboyish Girl Native Faith Suwako Cirno
BPM: 172
Filesize: 2662kb
Play Time: 01:04
Difficulties Available:
  1. Easy (2.61 stars, 79 notes)
  2. Hard (4.91 stars, 176 notes)
  3. Lunatic (4.96 stars, 309 notes)
Download: Silver Forest - Kero (9) Revolution
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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A remix of Silver Forest's Kero (9) Destiny, a Native Faith remix, and (9) Destiny ~ Always Cirno's Turn, a Native and Faith and Beloved Tomboyish Girl remix.

Enjoy. Kero!

9/3: New mp3 added, so please redownload if you downloaded this map before then.

9/2 edits: 0_o edits
9/3 edits: whymeman edits
9/3 edits 2: Mafiamaster edits
9/3 edits 3: New mp3 + remapped easy
9/4 edits: 0_o edits
9/3 edits 4: Shinxyn edits and new mp3
9/3 edits 5: eee edits
9/5 edits: Jeffro edits
9/12 edits: DeathxShinigami edits
9/13 edits: osumike edits
9/13 edits 2: x3ns0r edits
9/13 edits 3: osumike edits 2
9/16 edits: yeahyeahyeahhh edits
9/21 edits: animask edits
9/30 edits: minor timing edits
10/2 edits: Remco32 edits
10/8 edits: Shinde edits
10/16 edits: EEeee edits
10/17 edits: arken1015 edits
10/30 edits: Shulin edits
10/30 edits 2: ztrot edits
ztrot
Timing check 20-10 ms early

and Overall the map's flow feels odd

Tips for mapping a song like this:
pick one stream of music to follow

this is a test/drum mode for the map if you want to use it but it was the best i could follow
this felt most natrual to me

Download: Silver Forest - Kero (9) Revolution (blissfulyoshi) [Ztrot's testtaiko].osu
gdeath
plz decrease slider tick in all diffs.it sounds bad to me

[Easy]
fine

[Hard]
fine

[Lunatic]
00:46:78 (4,1) - dont like this jump.though you used new combo,it still confused me@@.(suggestion)
00:52:36 (4,1) - ^
00:57:94 (4,1) - ^
01:03:52 (4,1) - ^

nice map.^^
starry*
Topic Starter
blissfulyoshi

gdeath wrote:

plz decrease slider tick in all diffs.it sounds bad to me lowered it to 2

[Easy]
fine

[Hard]
fine

[Lunatic]
00:46:78 (4,1) - dont like this jump.though you used new combo,it still confused me@@.(suggestion) These jumps were meant to be increased distances that were in the same general direction as the player would go from the previous 2 notes. I assumed they wouldn't be that confusing, but if more ppl ask about it, I will tone them down to make them a little easier to read.
00:52:36 (4,1) - ^
00:57:94 (4,1) - ^
01:03:52 (4,1) - ^

nice map.^^
starry*
Thanks for the mod.
GbL
Have some spacing problems, i think.
Maybe Lunatic 'll be approved, not ranked. O.o

Anyway, your map is cool, star.
0_o
The offset is wayyyy early, I'm getting ~80

Easy
The syncopation in parts like 00:12:59 (2,3,4) is quite difficult for Easy. I would use repeat sliders for parts like that to keep Easy players from having to click on the blue ticks
00:11:22 (1) - Extend to white tick
00:15:38 (5) - ^
00:17:32 (3) - Move ahead 1/2
00:20:29 (3) - Extend so each endpoint is on a white tick, then maybe add a 1/1 slider after it?
00:23:78 (2) - Start this 1/2 later

urg, ok I'm gonna stop here and just say that the map as a whole is having flow issues. I think in general it's mapped too closely to the lyrics, which are very syncopated and hard to follow. Try mapping more to the beat of the song rather than sticking to the lyrics the entire time :?
Topic Starter
blissfulyoshi

GbL wrote:

Have some spacing problems, i think. Can you please point out some of these spacing problems?
Maybe Lunatic 'll be approved, not ranked. O.o I think lunatic it is not too difficult, so I believed it can be ranked.

Anyway, your map is cool, star.

0_o wrote:

The offset is wayyyy early, I'm getting ~80 Don't know y this happened. It was better before. Thanks for catching this.

Easy
The syncopation in parts like 00:12:59 (2,3,4) is quite difficult for Easy. I would use repeat sliders for parts like that to keep Easy players from having to click on the blue ticks
00:11:22 (1) - Extend to white tick
00:15:38 (5) - ^
00:17:32 (3) - Move ahead 1/2
00:20:29 (3) - Extend so each endpoint is on a white tick, then maybe add a 1/1 slider after it?
00:23:78 (2) - Start this 1/2 later

all done

urg, ok I'm gonna stop here and just say that the map as a whole is having flow issues. I think in general it's mapped too closely to the lyrics, which are very syncopated and hard to follow. Try mapping more to the beat of the song rather than sticking to the lyrics the entire time :? Sadly I really want to stick to the lyrics, so I'm am going to try to remap parts of easy to be on whole notes while staying with the lyrics.
Thank you for modding.
whymeman
Remember, some of the errors posted are suggestions, not directions. Edit to what you see fit.

Detailed Modding v.4.5 Go~

Osz. File Check (Done)

SPOILER
Video: No
SB (Story Board): No
Custom Skin: No
Background: Yes
[Current] Size: 2.59 MB / 10.00 MB
Source: No (Please add in the Source to all difficulties.)
Tags: Yes

[Easy] (Done)

SPOILER
Timing (BPM / Offset): 172.000 / 91 ms (Sounds okay so far, but maybe 1 ms less would work a bit better?)
[Currently] with double BPM: No
[Currently] with altered timing sections: No
[Current] Slider Tick Rate / Velocity: 2 / 1.50 (This is quite fast for an "easy" difficulty...)
Distance Snap Average: x0.5 + Manual Spacing
[Current] Objects: 60 ( 34 Circles / Sliders 24 / 2 Spinners )
[Current] Max Combo: 155
[Current] Max Score: 124,750
[Current] Star Rating: 2.32
[Current] HP Drain Rate: Lv.4
[Current] Circle Size: Lv.1
[Current] Overall Difficulty: Lv.4

00:12:64 (2) - This slider really stands out. It doesn't seem to connect to the song in a good way and that could make it confusing with moving to the next note.
00:13:69 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2) - The spacing here looks a bit uneven.
00:24:85 (1,2) - ^
00:25:73 (3) - I could understand if this was going with the lyrics, but in a way this is setup, it feels like it stands out a bit.
00:28:52 (2,3) - These notes don't "connect" with the flow of the beats.
00:33:57 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - I thought there wasn't supposed to be any jumps for "easy" difficulties?

Notes: Errr.... you might want to remap this a bit. Honestly, it feels like it was a bit thrown together. Its like this map is trying to play like a [Normal] and [Easy] at the same time but you end up with [Normsy]? Make sure to keep the flow of the beats stable and the spacing in order.

[Hard] (Done)

SPOILER
Timing (BPM / Offset): 172.000 / 91 ms (Sounds okay so far, but maybe 1 ms less would work a bit better?)
[Currently] with double BPM: No
[Currently] with altered timing sections: No
[Current] Slider Tick Rate / Velocity: 2 / 2.20
Distance Snap Average: x1.3 + Manual Spacing
[Current] Objects: 182 ( 148 Circles / Sliders 33 / 1 Spinners )
[Current] Max Combo: 256
[Current] Max Score: 1,127,090
[Current] Star Rating: 4.87
[Current] HP Drain Rate: Lv.6
[Current] Circle Size: Lv.1
[Current] Overall Difficulty: Lv.6

Misc. Note: Please remove the countdown. It really doesn't fit with how the map stars off...

00:02:18 (1,2) - These notes are against the beat, not with it.
00:04:80 (6,7,8,9) - ^
00:30:35 (12) - Bottomed out of the grid....
......... The rest of the map has a issue with note placement (around 80%) of it).

Notes: Well.... the map layout looks kinda messy and also hard to keep track off. There are places in the map where the notes could be set up more evenly than feeling randomly placed. You may want to concider remapping this difficulty some cause it plays quite rough.

[Lunatic] (Done)

SPOILER
Timing (BPM / Offset): 172.000 / 91 ms (Sounds okay so far, but maybe 1 ms less would work a bit better?)
[Currently] with double BPM: No
[Currently] with altered timing sections: No
[Current] Slider Tick Rate / Velocity: 2 / 2.40
Distance Snap Average: x0.7 + Manual Spacing
[Current] Objects: 311 ( 244 Circles / Sliders 65 / 2 Spinners )
[Current] Max Combo: 405
[Current] Max Score: 3,130,474
[Current] Star Rating: 4.92
[Current] HP Drain Rate: Lv.4 (Lower than [Hard]?)
[Current] Circle Size: Lv.1
[Current] Overall Difficulty: Lv.7

Misc. Note: Please remove the countdown. It really doesn't fit with how the map stars off...

00:02:18 (1,2) - These notes are against the beat, not with it.
00:04:80 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - ^
00:06:28 (7,1) - Broken link in the stream. (I can understand this is intentional, but make sure to test it carefully otherwise, you'll end up with huge complaints later.)
00:06:89 (4,1) - ^
00:07:67 (8,1) - ^
00:08:28 (4,1) - ^
00:09:07 (8,1) - ^
00:09:68 (4,1) - ^
00:10:46 (8,1) - ^
00:34:18 (8,1) - ^
00:34:88 (8,1) - ^
00:35:49 (4,1) - ^
00:36:19 (4,1) - ^
00:36:97 (8,1) - ^
00:37:67 (8,1) - ^
00:38:46 (6,1) - ^
00:39:42 (7,1) - ^
00:40:03 (4,1) - ^
00:40:73 (4,1) - ^
00:41:51 (8,1) - ^
00:42:21 (8,1) - ^
00:42:82 (4,1) - ^
00:50:75 (3) - This sounds like it hits 1/4 early, and it this supposed to be on the blue timing mark or the red timing mark?

Notes: Well, all I can say is to make sure to double check the map to see that it plays okay. The jumps on the end feels a bit odd to me but its better to have someone give a better opinion about it.

Overall: Well, the map itself may need some more work before pushing it to be ranked later on. I'm really not sure about how [Easy] is set up. Its not "newplayer friendly" as far as I see it. Even if it is ment to show them a bit of how advanced maps plays, its pointless if they can't grasp the beats or keep up properly. Not trying to sound mean, but just explaining my concern you might want to concider. Also, try to concider how the lyrics are going with the beat. Not every word can stick with the flow of the song to your favor. Well, sure this map can work out to be ranked so i'll drop my star(s) in then.
Mafiamaster
Easy~
00:20:93 - Suggestion: Have it end on a white tick.

Hard~

00:34:62 (4) - Add a clap
00:50:75 (3) - Move forward on the red tick instead.

Lunatic~
00:24:94 (2) - Suggestion: Move to the red tick instead.
Topic Starter
blissfulyoshi

Mafiamaster wrote:

Easy~
00:20:93 - Suggestion: Have it end on a white tick. Not exactly sure what you are referring to.

Hard~

00:34:62 (4) - Add a clap Y did I forget? Fixed
00:50:75 (3) - Move forward on the red tick instead. Fixed

Lunatic~
00:24:94 (2) - Suggestion: Move to the red tick instead. Done

whymeman wrote:

Remember, some of the errors posted are suggestions, not directions. Edit to what you see fit.

Detailed Modding v.4.5 Go~

Osz. File Check (Done)

SPOILER
Video: No
SB (Story Board): No
Custom Skin: No
Background: Yes
[Current] Size: 2.59 MB / 10.00 MB
Source: No (Please add in the Source to all difficulties.) I am not sure if I should put touhou as the source for the song since this is a remix, and I have seen many other people putting sources on other touhou maps. I will put one on if other people ask me to, but none for now. Thanks for your opinion though.
Tags: Yes

[Easy] (Done)

SPOILER
Timing (BPM / Offset): 172.000 / 91 ms (Sounds okay so far, but maybe 1 ms less would work a bit better?)
[Currently] with double BPM: No
[Currently] with altered timing sections: No
[Current] Slider Tick Rate / Velocity: 2 / 1.50 (This is quite fast for an "easy" difficulty...)
Distance Snap Average: x0.5 + Manual Spacing
[Current] Objects: 60 ( 34 Circles / Sliders 24 / 2 Spinners )
[Current] Max Combo: 155
[Current] Max Score: 124,750
[Current] Star Rating: 2.32
[Current] HP Drain Rate: Lv.4
[Current] Circle Size: Lv.1
[Current] Overall Difficulty: Lv.4

00:12:64 (2) - This slider really stands out. It doesn't seem to connect to the song in a good way and that could make it confusing with moving to the next note.
00:13:69 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2) - The spacing here looks a bit uneven.
00:24:85 (1,2) - ^
00:25:73 (3) - I could understand if this was going with the lyrics, but in a way this is setup, it feels like it stands out a bit.
00:28:52 (2,3) - These notes don't "connect" with the flow of the beats.
00:33:57 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - I thought there wasn't supposed to be any jumps for "easy" difficulties?

Notes: Errr.... you might want to remap this a bit. Honestly, it feels like it was a bit thrown together. Its like this map is trying to play like a [Normal] and [Easy] at the same time but you end up with [Normsy]? Make sure to keep the flow of the beats stable and the spacing in order. I am going to remap this diff entirely, so hopefully next attmept I won't have these problems.

[Hard] (Done)

SPOILER
Timing (BPM / Offset): 172.000 / 91 ms (Sounds okay so far, but maybe 1 ms less would work a bit better?)
[Currently] with double BPM: No
[Currently] with altered timing sections: No
[Current] Slider Tick Rate / Velocity: 2 / 2.20
Distance Snap Average: x1.3 + Manual Spacing
[Current] Objects: 182 ( 148 Circles / Sliders 33 / 1 Spinners )
[Current] Max Combo: 256
[Current] Max Score: 1,127,090
[Current] Star Rating: 4.87
[Current] HP Drain Rate: Lv.6
[Current] Circle Size: Lv.1
[Current] Overall Difficulty: Lv.6

Misc. Note: Please remove the countdown. It really doesn't fit with how the map stars off...

00:02:18 (1,2) - These notes are against the beat, not with it. Made it fit the lyrics.
00:04:80 (6,7,8,9) - ^ Changed slightly.
00:30:35 (12) - Bottomed out of the grid.... Fixed
......... The rest of the map has a issue with note placement (around 80%) of it). Remapped it in a nicer fashion.

Notes: Well.... the map layout looks kinda messy and also hard to keep track off. There are places in the map where the notes could be set up more evenly than feeling randomly placed. You may want to concider remapping this difficulty some cause it plays quite rough.

[Lunatic] (Done)

SPOILER
Timing (BPM / Offset): 172.000 / 91 ms (Sounds okay so far, but maybe 1 ms less would work a bit better?)
[Currently] with double BPM: No
[Currently] with altered timing sections: No
[Current] Slider Tick Rate / Velocity: 2 / 2.40
Distance Snap Average: x0.7 + Manual Spacing
[Current] Objects: 311 ( 244 Circles / Sliders 65 / 2 Spinners )
[Current] Max Combo: 405
[Current] Max Score: 3,130,474
[Current] Star Rating: 4.92
[Current] HP Drain Rate: Lv.4 (Lower than [Hard]?) Supposed to be that way.
[Current] Circle Size: Lv.1
[Current] Overall Difficulty: Lv.7

Misc. Note: Please remove the countdown. It really doesn't fit with how the map stars off...

00:02:18 (1,2) - These notes are against the beat, not with it. Made it fit the lyrics.
00:04:80 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - ^ Changed slightly.
00:06:28 (7,1) - Broken link in the stream. (I can understand this is intentional, but make sure to test it carefully otherwise, you'll end up with huge complaints later.) Thanks for the warning, but I 'm not going to change it for now.
00:06:89 (4,1) - ^
00:07:67 (8,1) - ^
00:08:28 (4,1) - ^
00:09:07 (8,1) - ^
00:09:68 (4,1) - ^
00:10:46 (8,1) - ^
00:34:18 (8,1) - ^
00:34:88 (8,1) - ^
00:35:49 (4,1) - ^
00:36:19 (4,1) - ^
00:36:97 (8,1) - ^
00:37:67 (8,1) - ^
00:38:46 (6,1) - ^
00:39:42 (7,1) - ^
00:40:03 (4,1) - ^
00:40:73 (4,1) - ^
00:41:51 (8,1) - ^
00:42:21 (8,1) - ^
00:42:82 (4,1) - ^
00:50:75 (3) - This sounds like it hits 1/4 early, and it this supposed to be on the blue timing mark or the red timing mark? Fixed

Notes: Well, all I can say is to make sure to double check the map to see that it plays okay. The jumps on the end feels a bit odd to me but its better to have someone give a better opinion about it.

Overall: Well, the map itself may need some more work before pushing it to be ranked later on. I'm really not sure about how [Easy] is set up. Its not "newplayer friendly" as far as I see it. Even if it is ment to show them a bit of how advanced maps plays, its pointless if they can't grasp the beats or keep up properly. Not trying to sound mean, but just explaining my concern you might want to concider. Also, try to concider how the lyrics are going with the beat. Not every word can stick with the flow of the song to your favor. Well, sure this map can work out to be ranked so i'll drop my star(s) in then.

Thanks for modding.
eee
This map has been deleted on the request of its creator. It is no longer available.
Topic Starter
blissfulyoshi

eee wrote:

something terribly went wrong with the offset, or else I think it did
since I should have to do so, correct offset I got was 82 Sry eee, I changed the mp3 twice today so the offset changed too, so I can't use the offset you suggested.

ALL MODS DONE WITH OFFSET: 82

eeedit: I was unaware 0_o had offset 80, might as well use that. pick out the mods manually with slightlly different offsets.


[Normal]
nothin'

[Hard]
00:24:93 (2) - move 1/4 later, or place a note on 00:25:023 it just feels out of place for me
00:28:86 (6) - 1/4 later?

[Insane]
00:28:86 (6) - same as hard? 1/4 later
00:31:47 (4,5) - I don't like the spacing here. You CAN new combo (5)

All done including the new combo.

insane was, insane
star, k?
Thx for modding.
0_o
Easy
The sliders are a little fast.. much better Easy btw :)
00:32:27 (1) - Tricky spinner for Easy, particularily with the note directly after it. I would just make a slider or something instead
01:04:36 (1) - End on previous white tick

Hard
00:02:19 (1,2) - I don't really see the point in mapping this
00:04:37 (5) - New combo
00:04:89 (2,3,4,5) - This doesn't feel natural at all
00:24:77 (x) - Add a beat?
00:44:83 (1,2,3,4) - Unintuitive, stick to red/white ticks here
The rest of this still seems jagged. I know you want to map to the vocals, but the vocals are very odd compared to the beat of the song, and it just feels weird to play, especially if you have never heard the song before.

Lunatic
This the only difficulty with a countdown, intentional?
00:02:19 (1,2) - Same with Hard. Also it makes the countdown sound weird if you are keeping it in.
00:05:50 (7) - This slider is pretty hidden under previous combobursts
00:51:81 (1) to 01:01:23 (4) - You are going in a clockwise circle the whole time here, it feels kinda weird.
Yeah the second half still feels jagged here.

There has been improvement though, *
Topic Starter
blissfulyoshi

0_o wrote:

Easy
The sliders are a little fast.. much better Easy btw :)
00:32:27 (1) - Tricky spinner for Easy, particularily with the note directly after it. I would just make a slider or something instead Changed to a circle because I couldn't think of a slider that could fit into the symmetrical pattern.
01:04:36 (1) - End on previous white tick want to stay Fixed

Hard
00:02:19 (1,2) - I don't really see the point in mapping this I wanted to map the lyrics here, so I'm am going to keep this unless other ppl complain.
00:04:37 (5) - New combo added one to 6
00:04:89 (2,3,4,5) - This doesn't feel natural at all Tried to fix
00:24:77 (x) - Add a beat? I think it would be confusing if I start randomly mapping to the beat.
00:44:83 (1,2,3,4) - Unintuitive, stick to red/white ticks here Since the lyrics for the rest of the song follow this pattern, no change for now. I understand the concern that the lyrics are unintuitive to follow, so if I get more complaints or think of a solution I like, I will change this.
The rest of this still seems jagged. I know you want to map to the vocals, but the vocals are very odd compared to the beat of the song, and it just feels weird to play, especially if you have never heard the song before.

Lunatic
This the only difficulty with a countdown, intentional? Sry, forgot to remove it.
00:02:19 (1,2) - Same with Hard. Also it makes the countdown sound weird if you are keeping it in. Same as hard.
00:05:50 (7) - This slider is pretty hidden under previous combobursts Fixed.
00:51:81 (1) to 01:01:23 (4) - You are going in a clockwise circle the whole time here, it feels kinda weird.
Yeah the second half still feels jagged here. Fixed.

There has been improvement though, *
Thanks for modding this map a second time and making me helping me be aware of the huge problem with easy.
Jeffro
[Easy]
00:32:27 (5) - clap+finish maybe?

[Hard]
00:04:89 (1) - I don't like this one. Its either the silent treatment of the whistle at the end.
00:44:83 (1,2,3,4) - This doesn't fit in entirely.

Love song + map. Great job!

Starred!
Topic Starter
blissfulyoshi

Jeffro wrote:

[Easy]
00:32:27 (5) - clap+finish maybe? Fixed.

[Hard]
00:04:89 (1) - I don't like this one. Its either the silent treatment of the whistle at the end. Fixed.
00:44:83 (1,2,3,4) - This doesn't fit in entirely. Tried to fix.

Love song + map. Great job!

Starred!
Thanks for modding.
DeathxShinigami
[Easy]
Overall diff feels a tad high for an easy but than again no normal so eh.

[Normal]
Fine

[Lunatic]
Really stream heavy but fine as well.
Topic Starter
blissfulyoshi

DeathxShinigami wrote:

[Easy]
Overall diff feels a tad high for an easy but than again no normal so eh. Sure, lowered overall diff one notch.

[Normal]
Fine

[Lunatic]
Really stream heavy but fine as well.
osumike
This map has been deleted on the request of its creator. It is no longer available.
Topic Starter
blissfulyoshi

osumike wrote:

[Insane]
00:26:69 (7) - I was expecting sliders such as these to end 2/4 later to match the vocals a bit better, but it's just a thought, you could keep it as is. Fixed. Surprised I missed this one.

I love the streams and I'm looking forward to watching the replays of people doing them :) Starred.
Thanks for modding.
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