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Megumi Hayashibara - Give a Reason

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arimnaes
30 posts
Joined May 2009
Topic Starter
arimnaes
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Thursday, April 22, 2010 at 4:17:09 PM

Artist: Megumi Hayashibara
Title: Give a Reason
Source: Slayers NEXT
Tags: Lina Inverse Gourry Zelgadis Amelia Anime
BPM: 139.94
Filesize: 10375kb
Play Time: 01:14
Difficulties Available:
  1. Easy (1.63 stars, 74 notes)
  2. Giga Slave (4.97 stars, 230 notes)
  3. Hard (4.55 stars, 161 notes)
  4. Normal (3.69 stars, 108 notes)
Download: Megumi Hayashibara - Give a Reason
Download: Megumi Hayashibara - Give a Reason (no video)
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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The best season of Slayers also has the best opening!

A relatively simple set of maps designed for Ekaru's Easy Series.
Last edited by arimnaes , edited 22 times in total.
arkiandruski
31 posts
Joined February 2009
arkiandruski
Decent map. Nothing absolutely spectacular, but nothing incredibly annoying either. I had fun playing it. Just a few small quibbles.

Easy:

00:44:12 (1,1,1) - These notes take too long to happen. I'd suggest adding notes halfway between them, probably at diagonals just because.

00:47:55 (1,2,3,4) - Doubling back to the center kind of hides the rhythm here. If you can find an elegant way to not do that, I would suggest doing so.

Normal:

Pretty good, though I have no idea why it's three stars. The first combo felt a bit awkward at first, but the second time the rhythm came I was able to get it, so it may be nothing.

Hard:

Not much to say. sometimes you stacked 1/2 notes sometimes you didn't and there are times where I didn't quite understand the logic for stacking or not stacking. You might want to think more about when you do and when you don't.

Hopefully my comments are helpful. I think this map is worth a star now.
deadbeat
osu! Alumni
9,218 posts
Joined June 2009
deadbeat
Easy:
Check spacing
Normal:
00:32:972(7) extend slider 1/4
00:33:829(1) remove
00:36:863(6) move forward 1/4
00:38:118(3) extend slider 1/4
00:38:976(4) move for 1/1 then extend slider 1/4
00:39:834(5) remove
00:41:716:(6) move forward 1/4
00:43:586(6) move forward 1/4
00:44:980(3) Extend slider 1/4
00:45:838(1) remove
00:46:696(3) Extend slider 1/4
00:457:553(1) remove
00:48:411(3) Extend slider 1/4
00:49:296(4) remove
00:51:842(3) extend slider 1/4
00:52:700(4) move forward 1/1 and extend slider by 1/4
00:53:558(5) remove
*takes a breather*
00:55:273(3) extend slider 1/4
00:56:131(4) move forward 1/1 and extend slider by 1/4
00:56:989(5) remove
Same with next combo
01:02:135(3) extend slider 1/4
01:02:993(1) extend slider 1/4
01:08:997(3) extend slider 1/4
01:09:855(5) extend slider 1/4
01:14:787(1) extend to next white tick
didn't really look at hard :p
Have a star ^-^
arimnaes
30 posts
Joined May 2009
Topic Starter
arimnaes
Thanks. You would say that 3/4 sliders are off-limits for Normal difficulty, then? The song's rhythm is sort of driven by 3/4 beats for most of it, so I'm not sure how it's going to come out if I lengthen all of them.
arkiandruski
31 posts
Joined February 2009
arkiandruski
Hey, a few more things after playing through again.


Normal:
00:20:096 (3,4) - I'd like another note on the beat between these two notes. Ditto for every other time this rhythm comes up.
00:43:069 (6) - Put this note with the vocals

Also, keep the 3/4 sliders. They fit in just fine.
Breeze
osu! Alumni
4,949 posts
Joined March 2009
Breeze
This map has been deleted on the request of its creator. It is no longer available.
Breeze
osu! Alumni
4,949 posts
Joined March 2009
Breeze
Here I have a better BG I think
SPOILER
ATTACH[Slayers (29).jpg]
I'd like to make skin for you, if you like to, please PM me and I will do it for you :3

arimnaes
30 posts
Joined May 2009
Topic Starter
arimnaes
A custom skin would be amazing! Thank you!

I think I'll stick with the current background, though. The one you've provided has some very good character art, but the plain white backdrop is a little visually uninteresting.
Breeze
osu! Alumni
4,949 posts
Joined March 2009
Breeze
This map has been deleted on the request of its creator. It is no longer available.

Download: skin.rar
arimnaes
30 posts
Joined May 2009
Topic Starter
arimnaes
This looks really distinctive! Thanks again. The red, blue, and purple looks great on the notes. I decided to leave out black because the video gets very dark at times and it made the approach circles difficult to see.

Also, thanks for the tip about setting the preview start time. I'd always wondered how that was done.
YGOkid8
osu! Alumni
2,729 posts
Joined February 2009
YGOkid8
Overall
Offset: 9827
Don't forget to resnap your beats afterwards!

Spinner in every diff. extend to 01:20:162

In every diff, you have beats that cut into HP or go offscreen at the bottom. Fix these.

Also, spacing is not very consistent. Fix this.
arimnaes
30 posts
Joined May 2009
Topic Starter
arimnaes
Changed the offset per your suggestion, and I also tweaked the BPM slightly.

Extended the spinner per your suggestion.

Moved the notes that were cutting into the lifebar further down.

Re-spaced the map where necessary. Each difficulty's notes now conform to distance spacing within combos, with just a few notes that are placed one smallest grid snap away from exact distance spacing for some aesthetic purpose, usually to center them. The only exception is the last notes of the combo beginning at 00:47:562 on Insane difficulty, which have some larger jumps that I feel are appropriate to the music.
Teara
osu! Alumni
814 posts
Joined June 2009
Teara
[General]

Tags?

[Skin]

Spinner, its hard to see where my cursor is, and I cant spin well, please make sure middle point+cursor is visible.

Other then that, its a good skin :)

[Easy]

00:20:118 (1) - Spacing

00:49:278 (3,4) - I personally dislike stacks in easy, even if its slow, only new players play this (mostly), and it can be confusing :3 hence the diff, easy :)))

01:10:718 (5,1) - Spacing

Other then that, great job! :O hit sounds are fine IMO

[Normal]

Perfect? :3

[Hard]

Pefect x2 ? :3

[Giga Slave]

Just some combo suggestions that are focused on making the map easier to read ( increasing the fun ability :3 ) and some are focused on vocals, up to you to use this or not.

00:11:113 - New Combo
00:14:543 - ^
00:16:152 - ^
00:18:403 - ^
00:21:619 - ^
00:25:049 - ^
00:31:911 - ^
00:32:983 - ^
00:35:555 - ^
00:36:413 - ^
00:37:271 - Remove new Combo
00:37:700 - New Combo
00:38:450 - ^
00:39:308 - ^
00:39:844 - ^
00:40:701 - ^
00:51:422 - ^

and that's that :3

Great job on the diff, I can see you put a lot of effort into it, good job.
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11
[Insane]
00:22:691 (11,12) - soft whistle sounds better. Maybe lower the volume for this part if you want to keep your finish
Same for the other pair
00:50:993 (4,5,) - Finish maybe?
Same for the next pair too

[Hard]
00:22:691 (8,9) - same as above
Same for the other pair too
00:26:979 (1,2) - Soft whistle on the end of the slider and the note as well
Same for the other pair as well
00:26:979 (1,2) - Soft whistle
00:50:993 (1,2) - Finish maybe?
same for the other pair

[Normal]
00:32:983 (7) - let the U turn starts on the blue tick and add a note after the slider. This is just a suggestion
00:50:993 (1,2) - Finish maybe?
Same as the other pair

[Easy]
Nicely done

Nice job
Babble
230 posts
Joined July 2009
Babble
Hiya! Modding finally, lol Sorry for the wait.

Easy
00:47:562 - Kiai makes no sense here
00:50:993 - Start kiai here
01:04:072 - Keep this kiai end

Normal
Follow same kiai advice as easy's.

Other than that this diff looks ok, but I'd go back and distance snap some stuff.

Hard
Same kiai advice
00:30:410 - (1,2,3,4,5,6)Personally I'd make this combo one stream instead of a 2 stack chain.

This diff is overall the same as the other 2 as far as the note placement goes, I'd make this difficulty more distinctive with some harder patterns

Giga Slave
Same kiai advice
00:16:187 - (1,2) Was this intentional? Just wondering is all.
00:53:995 - (13) This might make a good 1 note combo. (suggestion)
00:57:425 - (12) ^ (suggestion)
01:00:856 - (12) ^ (suggestion)

Same as hard, I'd like to see some harder patterns, (but harder than hard, you know :P)


I REALLY like this song lol, makes me wanna check out the show.

Star, and I owe you 1 kudosu star when I get enough ;)


EDIT: PLEASE DISREGARD ANYTHING THAT SAID TO MAKE HARDER, I DID NOT SEE THIS WAS FOR AN EASY SERIES :o
arimnaes
30 posts
Joined May 2009
Topic Starter
arimnaes

Teara wrote:

[Skin]

Spinner, its hard to see where my cursor is, and I cant spin well, please make sure middle point+cursor is visible.
I'm not much of an artist, but I'll see what I can do about that.

Teara wrote:

[Easy]

00:20:118 (1) - Spacing

00:49:278 (3,4) - I personally dislike stacks in easy, even if its slow, only new players play this (mostly), and it can be confusing :3 hence the diff, easy :)))

01:10:718 (5,1) - Spacing
Fixed.

Teara wrote:

[Giga Slave]

Just some combo suggestions that are focused on making the map easier to read ( increasing the fun ability :3 ) and some are focused on vocals, up to you to use this or not.

00:11:113 - New Combo
00:14:543 - ^
00:16:152 - ^
00:18:403 - ^
00:21:619 - ^
00:25:049 - ^
00:31:911 - ^
00:32:983 - ^
00:35:555 - ^
00:36:413 - ^
00:37:271 - Remove new Combo
00:37:700 - New Combo
00:38:450 - ^
00:39:308 - ^
00:39:844 - ^
00:40:701 - ^
00:51:422 - ^
I implemented some of these; you're probably right that some of the combos were longer than they needed to be.

bmin11 wrote:

[Insane]
00:22:691 (11,12) - soft whistle sounds better. Maybe lower the volume for this part if you want to keep your finish
Same for the other pair
00:50:993 (4,5,) - Finish maybe?
Same for the next pair too

[Hard]
00:22:691 (8,9) - same as above
Same for the other pair too
00:26:979 (1,2) - Soft whistle on the end of the slider and the note as well
Same for the other pair as well
00:26:979 (1,2) - Soft whistle
00:50:993 (1,2) - Finish maybe?
same for the other pair
I went with many of these suggestions as part of a larger overhaul of the hitsounds and volume. Thanks.

bmin11 wrote:

[Normal]
00:32:983 (7) - let the U turn starts on the blue tick and add a note after the slider. This is just a suggestion
Heh, I actually had it like that originally. I think I'll change it back after all.

babble wrote:

Easy
00:47:562 - Kiai makes no sense here
00:50:993 - Start kiai here
01:04:072 - Keep this kiai end
I took out the first Kiai period in accordance with your suggestion, but I think I'm going to keep the second period short, the way it currently is. I'd rather err on the side of underusing it than overusing it, and I think that one brief part is the most climactic part of both the song and the video.

babble wrote:

Normal
Other than that this diff looks ok, but I'd go back and distance snap some stuff.
Hmmm. I thought I'd fixed up all the spacing, at least within combos. I guess I'll double check.

babble wrote:

Hard
00:30:410 - (1,2,3,4,5,6)Personally I'd make this combo one stream instead of a 2 stack chain.
I tried it out as a stream and I think you're right.

babble wrote:

Giga Slave
00:16:187 - (1,2) Was this intentional? Just wondering is all.
I was debating for a long time over whether those notes should be 1/6 apart or 1/4. I ultimately went with 1/6, like the doubles in SSAY, but I think I'm going to switch it back to 1/4 so that it's consistent with the doubles near the end of the song.

babble wrote:

I REALLY like this song lol, makes me wanna check out the show.
Definitely do, if you're at all into anime. I watched Slayers about three years ago and the second season is still my favorite 26-episode series out of all the anime I've seen.

babble wrote:

Star, and I owe you 1 kudosu star when I get enough ;)


EDIT: PLEASE DISREGARD ANYTHING THAT SAID TO MAKE HARDER, I DID NOT SEE THIS WAS FOR AN EASY SERIES :o
Haha, no worries. I'm flattered that you think the map is good enough to spend your own kudosu on.
frost-b-spec
783 posts
Joined February 2009
frost-b-spec
megumi hayashibara~XD

nice song and map!
great! star~
MoonFragrance
1,929 posts
Joined April 2009
MoonFragrance
[General]
Do not set a timing section on notes.
I suggest set the timing section at least 1/4 before of note.

[Easy]
00:09:826 (1) - add a finish
00:50:993 (1) - ^
00:57:854 (1) - ^

[Normal]
00:09:826 (1) - add a finish at the beginnig
00:28:480 (1) - remove new combo
00:40:701 (1) - add finish
00:50:993 (1) - ^
00:57:854 (1) - ^

[Hard]
00:09:826 (1) - add finish
00:50:993 (1) - ^
00:57:854 (1) - ^

[Insane]
00:09:826 (1) - add finish
00:50:993 (4) - ^
00:57:854 (3) - ^

flawless map, star :3
arimnaes
30 posts
Joined May 2009
Topic Starter
arimnaes
I like most of those changes to hitsounds, especially the finishes on 00:09:826. Don't know why it never occurred to me to put them there myself.

Also, in regards to Teara's issue with the spinner skin, I made a slight modification to Breeze's spinner overlay that should make the center more stable and easier to see. Hopefully that addresses the problem adequately.
Shulin
1,189 posts
Joined August 2009
Shulin
General:

-- The kiai lasts for 3 seconds, you may as well remove it completely.
-- You could probably break up some of the combos on Normal, Hard and Insane, up to you.
-- Normal whistles don't sound too great, but w/e. XD

Easy:

00:49:275 (3,4) - Stack?

Normal:

00:39:842 (5) - Remove finish from end?
00:43:272 (6) - ^ Add whistle.
01:02:138 (3) - Remove whistle from the end?
01:02:782 (x) - Add note imo opinion, and stack on slider.

Hard:

00:12:185 (7,8) - Stack?
00:15:615 (9,10) - ^
00:34:053 (x) - Note?
00:39:842 (6,7) - Slider imo, same shape as the previous two but rotate.
01:16:181 (6) - Needs to be on 1/4 not 1/6.


Giga Slave:

00:34:053 (x) - Note?
00:48:739 (5) - Right one square.
00:52:491 (8) - New combo.
00:56:135 (8) - ^
00:59:566 (8) - ^ etc just break up some of those combos imo.
01:06:426 (8) - ^
01:08:999 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - This bit doesn't fit imo, maybe drop the slider then 1/4 and do something else?
01:16:145 (6) - 1/4 not 1/6.

Nice maps ~ Star.
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