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Garven
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Garven
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Monday, May 24, 2010 at 1:57:47 PM

Artist: SoulEye
Title: Positive force
Source: VVVVVV
Tags: chiptune 8bit pppppp al2e10 lepidopodus
BPM: 140
Filesize: 6878kb
Play Time: 02:44
Difficulties Available:
  1. Alarmable (4.97 stars, 424 notes)
  2. Hard (4.76 stars, 405 notes)
  3. lepidon! - Taiko Oni (5 stars, 822 notes)
  4. Normal (2.76 stars, 200 notes)
Download: SoulEye - Positive force
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This is my first beatmap. Please let me know your thoughts.

This is an awesome chiptune by Souleye from the game VVVVVV from the soundtrack titled PPPPPP (yeah, I know) that I think translates well into this game.
Respectings to Shinde, Matma_Rex, Random Jibberish, Natteke_desu, and Gens for overall skin assistance/contributions!
Alarmable diff by al2e10.
Taiko Oni diff by lepidopodus.

Updated on 05-24-2010

Hooray, finally got that annoying green outline gone. Thanks for the tip, Gens!


05-04-2010
New approach circle by Natteke_desu. Should be easier to read now. Thanks!
04-29-2010
Mod/skin updates. Thanks, RJ!
04-20-2010
Lots of new skin elements updated. Many thanks to Matma_Rex for his help!
04-13-2010
Added lepidopodus' taiko diff.
04-08-2010
Added al2e10's diff.
[03-19-2010]
Fixed gain on applause.mp3. It was way too loud compared to the rest of the song. Applied recent mods. Gave up on making easy. Guess it'll only be a two difficulty piece. Bleh.
[03-13-2010]
Hard redesigned. Hit sounds vamped up. New hit circle uploaded. Insane being worked on.
Updated according to Teara's IRC mod. Thanks!
[02-20-10]
Lower gain on combobreak and sectionfail sound as it stuck out really bad. Normal tweaked again. Hit sounds changed a bit for both modes.
[02-15-10]
-Got some help from FluffRat on the basics.
Last edited by Garven , edited 98 times in total.
FluffRat
71 posts
Joined September 2008
FluffRat
This map has been deleted on the request of its creator. It is no longer available.
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
IRC mod, mostly easy
Lokamp
2,530 posts
Joined January 2009
Lokamp
Easy
[General] there are some beats which are on other sliders's path, just like 01:28:694 (6) or 01:31:694 (3) ... move them elsewhere!
00:26:551 (1) - maybe add finish here
00:37:265 (4,5) - move them 3 squares right (and maybe new combo on 4th)
00:44:980 (2,3) - ununtuitive jump for an Easy mode... you had better to fix it...
00:47:551 (1,2) - remove new combo from 1st and set it on the next slider
00:49:265 (1,2) - ^
00:50:979 (1,2) - New combo on 2nd, remove previous new combo
00:51:837 (3,4) - pretty hard for an Easy mode...
00:57:837 (1,2) - new combo on 2nd, remove previous new combo
00:59:979 (1) - no new combo here
01:06:622 (1) - start it on 01:06:837 and end it on 01:08:551 (maybe, with a clap...)
02:33:408 (spinner) - replace it with a beat on 02:34:265

Normal
00:43:908 (3,4,5,6,7) - quite disorienting...
01:07:632 (6) - move it to 01:07:587

Hard
01:07:640 (8) - move it to 01:07:587


Now, it's time to fix some overall things here... First of all, name Easy mode to Normal mode, Normal to Hard, and Hard to Insane...
Then, try to improve spacing along the easier modes... sometimes it isn't so clear as it appears, due to the song's particular rhythm... For this, try to see the AIMod function in Edit mode! (Just press Ctrl+Shift+A)
Keep on improving! ;3
Garven
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Garven
Easy changes done, though the with the spinner sound at 01:08:551, I changed it to a soft finish to go with the cymbal crash.

>>00:43:908 (3,4,5,6,7) - quite disorienting...

Well, considering the music is from a game called VVVVVV, I was trying to make as many Vs as possible. I can just turn that into a 'w' and get away with sticking with the theme still.

Hrm, I guess I'll have to make another difficulty after all. I feel bad making a map without an easy mode, considering I'm still freshly weaned off easy mode myself, hehe. Pfft, every time I try to make an easy that's not horridly boring, it's way too similar to Normal. I'll just leave it as the three, I guess.
yeahyeahyeahhh
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yeahyeahyeahhh
Insane:
00:23:230 (6,7) - Spacing, looks like its a stream, spread out.
00:31:587 - Note here
00:36:730 - ^
02:36:837 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2) - Nothing wrong with this but I don't recommend it. A lot of people don't like it
02:45:944 (6) - No, just no. Make it a regular not. Will cause many combo breaks and rage.

Hard:
Fine

Normal:
Fine

Overall: Work on insane a bit. Make it look better. Right now its looks kinda messy. Try to make some patterns out of them. Also, fix up some of the hitsounds? They aren't very impressive :<

Gl!
Mukku
1,434 posts
Joined February 2009
Mukku
OMG, A CHIPTUNE!!


Normal~
00:34:908 (2) - Maybe stack properly without gridsnap. Done easily by removing the note and re-adding it with distance snap.
00:58:694 (2) - It sounds allright this way too but try if it sounds better by ending the slider at the first red tick.
01:45:837 (4,1,2,3,4) - Nothing wrong here. I just wanna ask, is it intentionally so unsymmetric?

Hard~
Great

Insane~
If you plan on doing these hitsound suggestions, do them all and decide if you want to keep them:
02:38:122 (2) - Clap
02:38:980 (4) - Clap (there propably already is, but I already edited these so I cant be sure)
02:39:837 (2) - Clap
02:40:480 (4) - Clap
02:40:694 (5) - Clap
02:42:408 (7) - Clap
Also, great usage of volume.


Big thumbs up for this map. Love the background pic, it fits perfectly and I love the spinner skin. Great job
Garven
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Garven

Mukku wrote:

OMG, A CHIPTUNE!!


Normal~
00:34:908 (2) - Maybe stack properly without gridsnap. Done easily by removing the note and re-adding it with distance snap. I did what I could. I hope I did it right, heh.
00:58:694 (2) - It sounds allright this way too but try if it sounds better by ending the slider at the first red tick. I wanted this section of this diff to go with the synth lead, so I'll keep it where it is at, thanks.
01:45:837 (4,1,2,3,4) - Nothing wrong here. I just wanna ask, is it intentionally so unsymmetric? Didn't even think about that. Was just mixing up the spacing a bit to make it less boring. Lined 'em up.

Insane~
If you plan on doing these hitsound suggestions, do them all and decide if you want to keep them:
02:38:122 (2) - Clap
02:38:980 (4) - Clap (there propably already is, but I already edited these so I cant be sure)
02:39:837 (2) - Clap
02:40:480 (4) - Clap
02:40:694 (5) - Clap
02:42:408 (7) - Clap All added. Thanks!
Also, great usage of volume.


Big thumbs up for this map. Love the background pic, it fits perfectly and I love the spinner skin. Great job
Colin Hou
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Colin Hou
watch out for the green lines. if possible, move them half a beat earlier(except for the lines for Kiai mode)

cause if u click a beat ealier than the line, the sound would not be correct.

anyway, nice song and star~ good luck
Garven
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Garven

Colin Hou wrote:

watch out for the green lines. if possible, move them half a beat earlier(except for the lines for Kiai mode)

cause if u click a beat ealier than the line, the sound would not be correct.
Thanks for the heads-up. I also found a few unneeded timing change points, along with Normal having all set to custom override (back when i didn't know how to change between the normal and soft sound set yet, heh). Appreciate it!
Astom
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Joined October 2008
Astom
[Normal]
-Acc 98%
-00:04:051 and 00:04:480, maybe add circles =9
-I have some troubles in get the rhythm before 00:41:122, but after that i don't see problems.

[Hard]
-Acc 94%
-00:44:551 maybe another circle
-00:58:265 -----^
-02:17:015 maybe another circle and move slider to 02:17:122 remember the finish
-I don't see problems in the finish stream, but my Acc go down u_u, maybe too long, but i can pass it in edit mode xD

[Insane]
-Acc 90%
-I like more this final "V" stream XD I think is more easy of get that "Hard" V stream
-00:58:265 circle?
-02:46:372 (1) maybe finish it in 02:47:980

that's all, star and good luck =)
Garven
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Garven

Astom wrote:

[Normal]
-Acc 98%
-00:04:051 and 00:04:480, maybe add circles =9 Well, I was going for something nice and simple for the beginning of the song so the player can get accustomed to the odd rhythms that may be coming their way soon enough. If I put three eighth notes right at the beginning like that, it would feel out of place. I tried to ramp up the difficulty as the player gets more accustomed to the song. Thanks, though.
-I have some troubles in get the rhythm before 00:41:122, but after that i don't see problems. Yeah, that's what i found difficult about this map - the melody line has a harder rhythm to feel than most songs, though if I kept things too basic, the map would be too boring. This is my attempt at keeping it somewhat interesting while not making it too difficult.

[Hard]
-Acc 94%
-00:44:551 maybe another circle There isn't really a note that's being struck here to justify an extra circle.
-00:58:265 -----^ ^
-02:17:015 maybe another circle and move slider to 02:17:122 remember the finish Added.
-I don't see problems in the finish stream, but my Acc go down u_u, maybe too long, but i can pass it in edit mode xD It's kind of funny how that works... I find this one easier than the one in Insane mode since you have to worry less about horizontal movement compared.

[Insane]
-Acc 90%
-I like more this final "V" stream XD I think is more easy of get that "Hard" V stream
-00:58:265 circle? Same deal as the previous difficulty.
-02:46:372 (1) maybe finish it in 02:47:980 I actually timed that last beat to end right with the music. If you turn the volume up on the hit sound, you'll be able to tell easier

that's all, star and good luck =)
Thanks for the commentary - it very informative to illustrate to me if the maps I made were intuitive or not. I think a lot of the extra beats you wanted me to put in are more phantom beats that aren't actually in the line that was being followed, and though they do fit, the way I have hit sounds and spacing set up, the more direct translation of the music fits better to me.
Mok
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Joined August 2009
Mok
Updated Mod's Info:
Mine are all suggestions. You're free to follow or not this mod :3
If I found a beat who must be added, i'll write it.
Remember to fix spacing after all modify :3

[General]
Remove "vvvvvv" from Tags, it is already the Source.

Well i don't have anything to mod, they're all good difficults, only a thing: try to do some stacks on [Normal]. Good song, has my star! :P
Xgor
Elite Mapper
2,534 posts
Joined April 2009
Xgor
[All difficulites]
I suggest you change the Preview point to 00:13:694 But if you think it's better as it is, keep it.

[Normal]
Maybe lower HP drain?
00:18:837 (1,2,3) - Move (2) (And maybe (3) ) directly under the end of (1) without grid snap and I also suggest you don't place (3) under (1) and (2) but that isn't a must :P
00:20:122 (3) - I must also say that this sounds better at 00:19:908


[Hard]
Please raise the slider velocity , it's too slow...


[Insane]
Yet again, i find the slider velocity very slow for an Insane... well i got a suggestion that you could use speed ups to make it faster and more fun, ignore it if you want it slow but i think it will be far more fun this way
00:11:979 - Add a timing section with 2x
00:12:730 - Change this also to 2x :P
01:15:301 - ^
01:15:944 - ^
01:34:265 - ^
01:35:980 - ^
02:16:158 - ^
02:33:355 - I'm not sure about the timing section here, change it to 2x if you think it's better here but 1x works here too..

01:40:908 (9,1,2) - Confusing bad spacing, Move (2) somewhere else

Well, that's it.
The main things that bugged me is the slow slider velocity on the higher difficulites and that it's pretty hard to follow allot of the time.
Well otherwise it was great for being your first map so here's is a star from me ;)
*star*
SamiPale
766 posts
Joined October 2009
SamiPale
it's nice for your first map without the spacing problem,when you finish you can pm me or post again in LKs's queue,i'd like to mod:)
DeathxShinigami
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DeathxShinigami
[Normal]
01:29:122 (1) - Could use a 0.5x section...kinda slower part in the song
01:32:551 (1) - end here.
01:51:408 (1) - ^
01:56:551 (1) - And again ending here... s: (Quite alot of creativity went into this mapset)

[Hard]
00:17:551 (3,4,5) - You could get easily fooled by the pattern there when you have to quickly jump to (5) Change to a > shape of beat.
00:54:837 (1,2,3) - Same comment as above, different pattern shape, Then again you could just find something to change up the tricky pattern.
00:57:729 (1,2,3,4,5) - Too clustery, space out a bit more so you can actually see 5 beats.
(Keep in mind about the 0.5x section)

[Overall]
Awesome map for tag.

I guess I'm done modding since there is no Insane again.
Last edited by DeathxShinigami , edited 1 time in total.
aRiskOfRain
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aRiskOfRain
^.^
Shinde
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Shinde
I'll put things you MUST fix for it to be ranked in red, and important comments in bold. Everything else will probably tie in the 'things you should probably fix' category.

Remove the unused .osb file in the song folder and Full Reupload when you're done with everything. Add a spinner-background. This is what happens when you don't include all three items in a spinner skin. http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5125

section-pass and section-fail look bad imo and I would suggest removing them. I can't say the spinner looks very good either. While skinning, even if you're going for a theme you should still be keeping playability in mind. The hitcircle/overlay and comboburst are fine though I guess.

Normal
00:17:765 (4) - Remove either whistle of clap. Using Whistle+Clap on a note is a bad idea 95% of the time.
00:22:265 (3) - Spacing. Or make it a new combo.
00:32:551 (1,2,3,4) - Spacing

Hard
Overall Difficulty +1/2
00:43:908 (3,4,5,6,7) - Doesn't go with song. Notes fall like this on timeline. http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5135
00:57:729 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^
00:46:587 (5,6,7) - Confusing spacing.
00:53:765 (5) - Add note here
01:05:551 (2,3) - Unstack imo.
01:16:908 (5,6,7,8,9) - Should use a slider somewhere here cause it plays awkwardly. Use sliders to make offbeats play more smoothly. This is an 8-Bit song, there are no lyrics. This makes it harder to play the song as the beats are more 'random' to the listener.
01:28:265 (3) - Up one grid/Not spaced evenly.
02:27:408 (3) - Bad slider, reshape. You should also never have the slider end and start overlapped or nearly overlapped. It's confusing.
02:43:694 (3) - 1/4th later. White tick.
02:36:837 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Streams like this are iffy in a 'Hard' difficulty.
02:44:551 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - ^^^ This one especially.


Insane
Overall Difficulty +1 and HP Drain +1/2
It's largely unplayable to me. The spacing, stacking, and positioning are very confusing at times.
Ex. 00:23:980 (1,2,3,4) -
00:45:194 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) -
01:01:051 (6,7,8,9) -

A map's difficulty shouldn't lie in the ability to read it. The velocity/patterns themselves aren't hard to hit, just hard to know WHERE to be hitting and when. This ties in with the 'Song is 8-Bit no lyrics/offbeat' thing above.

General
The hitsounds weren't very well done, and a bit spammy in some parts. Other parts were okay. You want to make sure you don't overdo hitsounds. Having a clap/finish on every beat, etc. is a bad idea. I suggest re-doing them for the most part. This wasn't my main concern though at this stage.

I mapped around 30 seconds of a Hard+/Insane difficulty, perhaps you might want to take a look, it could give you ideas.
SPOILER
ATTACH[SoulEye - Positive force (Garven) [Insane 2].osu]
Download: Spinner.rar
I think Normal and Hard should be fine after some more modding, and like I said asking someone to map an Insane might be a good idea. It's hard to test if a difficulty is fun when mapping if it's too hard for you to play.

Good luck to you.

Download: SoulEye - Positive force (Garven) [Insane 2].osu
SamiPale
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Joined October 2009
SamiPale
As your request ,sorry for the delay

[Normal]
00:56:551(5) - ...only one whistle around?
01:27:408(3) - new combo?
01:35:980 to 01:45:837 - too many finish,IMO you should delete half
02:42:837(1) - IMO spinner too long..

[Hard]
00:44:122(4) - Add whistle?
00:57:837(2) - Add whistle?
01:15:408 to 01:25:694 - Try to add Clap like previous note?
01:23:551(2) - spacing
01:48:622(2) - Add clap?
01:34:480(10) - new combo?
01:47:551(4) - Add clap at the end?
01:57:837(x) - Add a circle?
02:05:122(6) - new combo?
02:20:122(5) - Add clap?
02:43:694(3) - spacing
IMO if you use Normal-Whistle you can add more
some place you follow the music began at blue tick...i can't judge if it is right

anyway nice for your first time,good luck to you :)
Garven
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Garven
Mods done. Insane removed. Thinking about working on an easy... we'll see. Last time I tried, it was either too hard or far too boring.

Thanks for taking the time to mod this, everyone. Your input is much appreciated.
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