02:48 Shiro: hmm
02:48 Shiro: do you guys think
02:48 Shiro: that firesong, last ride of the day and ikusa are overdone ?
02:49 Exa: define "overcome"
02:49 Exa: "overdone" *
02:50 Shiro: hum
02:51 Shiro: spacing too large
02:51 Shiro: people asy rhythms are perfect
02:51 Shiro: but they say I made the maps needlessly difficult
02:51 Xexxar: shiro if you want my honest opinion i think shiro is a bit over the top
02:51 Xexxar: shit
02:51 Xexxar: i mean ikusa
02:51 Shiro: several people said so
02:51 Shiro: so I'm tempted to tone it down
02:51 Xexxar: like i enjoy the song and map but even i think some of its bad
02:52 Xexxar: also i hate this
02:52 Xexxar: 00:36:242 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) -
02:52 Xexxar: just so you know
02:52 Priti: ay lmAO
02:53 Exa: 00:44:008 (9,10) - I think this is somewhat big
02:53 Exa: Given the little tension present
02:53 Xexxar: nah its just the overlap that makes me cry
02:53 Xexxar: hi priti
02:54 Shiro: but at the same time
02:54 Shiro: I feel like they fit perfectly
02:54 Shiro: so I'm not sure what I should do
02:54 Priti: sup
02:54 Exa: They played well if thats the problem
02:54 Exa: For for me some jumped did seem needlessly big
02:55 Shiro: ^ that's my problem
02:55 Xexxar: the reason why i dont think they are good is that the spacing changes between them
02:55 Shiro: I've always considered myself a reasonable mapper
02:55 Shiro: but my best 3 maps are accused of being over the top
02:55 Exa: Aight imma just point out what seemed big
02:55 Xexxar: 1/1 then 1/2 but still a dead stop
02:55 Shiro: 00:36:242 (1,2,3,4,5) - this part is like
02:55 Shiro: the best part in the whole map to me
02:55 Xexxar: i would make the third 5 note stream not overlapped
02:55 Exa: 00:38:554 (9,10) -
02:56 Exa: 00:44:008 (9,10) - Very big one
02:56 Shiro: I won't change that part it's just too awesome
02:56 Xexxar: you can disagree with me im just given my feedback
02:56 shurito1sao: lol
02:56 Xexxar: the fact that you do a 1/1 anti jump into a 1/2 anti jump is gross
02:56 Shiro: how is it big
02:56 Shiro: it's
02:56 Exa: 00:51:167 (4,5,6) - This really stoof out for me for some reason
02:56 Shiro: 0.5 spacing
02:56 Xexxar: he means the spacing betwen 9 and 1
02:56 Xexxar: so the jump after the triplet
02:56 Xexxar: i personally dont mind that
02:57 Shiro: that part is meant to be tricky
02:57 *Priti is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/729090 Arctic Monkeys - Balaclava [modded ver]]
02:57 Shiro: so Ikusa is overdone huh
02:57 Shiro: what about firesong
02:57 Priti: ctrl a r is cool
02:57 Exa: 00:55:258 (9,10) - If people complain, this could be a tad smaller
02:57 Shiro: or last ride of the day
02:57 Xexxar: link me those
02:57 Xexxar: i dont have them
02:57 Exa: 02:26:621 (4,5,6) - Same
02:57 Exa: 02:27:644 (10,11,12,13) - I think this is fine though
02:58 Exa: 02:31:564 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - Compared to everything before and after, this might be a bit too hard
02:58 Exa: 02:35:485 (3,4) - Alongside with
02:58 Exa: And you use the same pattern again after some time
02:59 Shiro: hum
02:59 Shiro: your links are broken
02:59 Shiro: it leads to nothing
02:59 Shiro: are you talknig about firesong ?
02:59 Xexxar: yeah thats an ugly jump
02:59 Exa: Mine?
02:59 Xexxar: 02:39:303 (7,8,9) -
02:59 Exa: Yeah, the hardest ver
02:59 *Exa is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/662928 NOX - Firesong [NOX]]
02:59 Xexxar: o
03:00 Exa: Am I in the wrong place?
03:00 Shiro: are you talking about ikusa Exa ?
03:00 Shiro: cause your links lead to nothing in ikusa
03:01 Exa: I /np from the editor
03:01 Exa: [http://puu.sh/iHZyl/706a638ea1.jpg here]
03:01 Xexxar: shiro i would say overall you have a tendency to use uncomfortably high DS
03:02 Exa: It's not unconfortable
03:02 Xexxar: 02:17:417 (1) - like this DS on a song like this seems high
03:02 Exa: Not for me at least
03:02 Shiro: that's new
03:02 Shiro: cause I used to make easy maps
03:02 Shiro: and suddenly
03:02 *Xexxar is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/662928 NOX - Firesong [NOX]]
03:02 Shiro: I make monsters
03:02 Xexxar: for this one anyway
03:02 Xexxar: I dont think it's a monster
03:02 Shiro: something happened
03:02 Xexxar: but I feel like the song doesnt really warrant such a high DS
03:02 Xexxar: oh did I say DS
03:02 Xexxar: i meant SV
03:03 Xexxar: Your slider velocity is just really high in all these maps
03:03 Exa: 02:26:621 (4,5,6) - Shiro I think you can tell for yourself.
03:03 Shiro: noted
03:03 Exa: 02:27:473 (9,10) - And this
03:03 *Exa is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/662928 NOX - Firesong [NOX]]
03:03 Exa: On this ^ diff
03:03 Shiro: but
03:03 Shiro: I have no problems with those jumps
03:03 Shiro: I honestly don't want to remap everything
03:03 Xexxar: and that leads to your notes being really far apart with 1.0 ds, then that causes you to make your jumps gigantic cause your SV is already high.
03:03 Xexxar: That's what I think causes people to say your maps are overmapped.
03:04 Exa: I never told you to remap them >.< I am just pointing out what stood out for me when I played in terms of DS
03:04 Shiro: they never said overmapped
03:04 Shiro: they said overdone
03:04 shurito1sao: lol can i ask something what is ds?
03:04 Shiro: now I know why
03:04 Shiro: distance snap
03:04 Shiro: Exa: if you pointed it out, then it's a problem for you
03:04 Shiro: *sigh*
03:04 Shiro: guess Firesong and last ride will be failures as usual
03:04 Xexxar: DS = Distance Snap
03:04 shurito1sao: owh
03:04 Shiro: thank you, Xexxar and Exa
03:04 Xexxar: shiro my only real advice is to try to make your SV a bit more clam
03:05 Shiro: you've been more helpful in 30 minutes than #modhelp was in 3 years
03:05 Exa: Shiro try at least taking my stuff into consideration -.-'
03:05 shurito1sao: lol i am a beginner so i want to know more so i can get better
03:05 Shiro: yeah I will remember that
03:05 Shiro: Exa: did I say no ?
03:05 Shiro: I didn't
03:05 Shiro: the problem is
03:05 Exa:
http://puu.sh/iHZI0/ec0d5393bf.jpg03:05 Shiro: I can't judge my maps since I can play them easily
03:05 Exa: It might not just be me D:
03:05 Shiro: yes
03:05 Shiro: I didn't mean to say idc
03:05 Xexxar: Shiro, better than trying to judge what you cant play
03:05 Shiro: I meant to say that you thinkl it should be changed
03:05 Exa: Oh, ok then
03:06 Shiro: I didn't say "it's your problem"
03:06 Exa: Aight, it's your map >.<
03:06 Shiro: meh
03:06 Shiro: another two piles of crap to throw to the dustbin
03:06 Shiro: I'll be more careful with SV in the future.
03:06 Xexxar: additionally shiro if I may add, the high SV also makes your sliders look a bit akward since they're so long, they sort of feel unnaturally elongated, which isnt a problem if they flow into eachother well, but imo they kinda dont.
03:07 Xexxar: well what i was saying was visually they dont
03:07 Xexxar: they play fine
03:07 Shiro: noted
03:07 Shiro: see
03:07 Shiro: you two were helpful
03:07 Shiro: more than kaguya or priti or Jenny or anyone else in this channel
03:07 Exa: lol
03:07 FiahRose: *cries everytim*
03:07 Xexxar: 02:21:508 (6,7,8) - but like these three sliders arent consistently spaced apart
03:07 Shiro: so thank you
03:07 Xexxar: in
03:07 *Xexxar is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/662928 NOX - Firesong [NOX]]
03:07 *Priti chuckles in the corner
03:07 Shiro: now I have something to work with
03:07 Priti: it's funny because it's true.
03:07 shurito1sao: i hope i can be helpfull one day... cause i am just a noob with mapping -_-
03:08 Exa: lol priti
03:08 Xexxar: shiro do you mind playtesting something of mine?
03:08 Shiro: huh yes I'm busy now
03:08 Xexxar: qq
03:08 Shiro: I'll
03:08 Shiro: go over firesong to try to fix some jumps
03:08 Shiro: but
03:08 Priti: Xexxar = WASTED
03:08 Shiro: I don't think I can fox ikusa without a whole remap
03:09 Exa: fix?
03:09 Shiro: I want to see what kind of feedback ikusa gets
03:09 Shiro: it plays really well
03:09 Exa: nvm fox
03:09 Shiro: but apparently its overdone
03:09 Priti: np it
03:10 Xexxar: well i hope my feedback helps.
03:10 *Shiro is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/705964 Wagakki Band - Ikusa]
03:10 Shiro: Xexxar: it helped
03:10 Shiro: A TON
03:10 Shiro: Xexxar and Exa can you post in firesong's thread
03:10 Xexxar: let me know if you want any other feedback from me
03:10 Shiro: so I can give you each kudosu
03:10 Shiro: you were
03:10 Shiro: a million times more helpful than this channel has ever been
03:10 *Priti is playing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/705964 Wagakki Band - Ikusa [Ikusa]] -NoFail
03:10 Priti: yogo
03:10 Xexxar: maybe later man i dont really need kudosu that bad anyway
03:10 Exa: Do I really have to -.-'
03:11 Exa: I am lazy as fk
03:11 Xexxar: LOL
03:11 Exa: right now
03:11 Shiro: it's up to you
03:12 Shiro: just
03:12 Shiro: someone paste the log
03:12 Shiro: Xexxar do it
03:12 Shiro: so I have the log somewhere
03:12 Shiro: and can look at things with it in mind