This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 6:56:16 PM

Artist: you
Title: Hold Angel
Tags: speedcore 600 OVER!!! Psycho Filth Records
BPM: 300
Filesize: 3469kb
Play Time: 02:01
Difficulties Available:

1. Angel (7.39 stars, 1180 notes)
2. Futsuu (1.98 stars, 280 notes)
3. Inner Oni (6.2 stars, 968 notes)
4. Kantan (1.32 stars, 143 notes)
5. Muzukashii (3.08 stars, 491 notes)
6. Oni (4.12 stars, 700 notes)

Download: you - Hold Angel
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here we go bois...

[Angel]
Change OD to 9, the bpm is really high and it would still be lower than OD6 DT. Also balance for mods like HR probably won't be an issue at this bpm lol...
00:03:127 - you could add a note here since it's clearly audible in the music

the rest looks fine

[Inner Oni]
OD7.5 to fit between Oni and Angel properly, also this bpm highly warrants it
00:48:077 (249,250) - maybe ctrl G these, kdk would play smoother here imo
00:49:777 (270,271) - ^

looks solid otherwise tbh

[Oni]
01:10:627 - the fact that this part is kinda denser than the first kiai in some ways annoys me, maybe just nerf a very slight bit
i'd suggest deleting notes like 01:11:927 (11,12,13) - and 01:13:527 (23,24,25) - etc.
01:17:027 - starting from here though i'd just suggest deleting 01:18:327 (59) - 01:19:927 (71) -

the rest looks good tbh

[Muzukashii]
00:32:027 (84) - delete and change 00:31:827 (83) - to k to keep the pattern to a slightly shorter length and have more emphasis on 00:32:227 (85) -
00:34:027 - add some kind of note here maybe, the 3 triplets feel kinda weird and less dense than the rest

rest seems to be fine too, took the most important stuff apart in irc... the muzu may contain a few tricky patterns, but that is okay considering the nature of this song and since we're basicaly halving the bpm

[Futsuu]
01:41:827 (25) - i'd suggest deleting this slider since it doesn't really count as a break and a break is definitely neccesary here after that pattern, just replace it with a k at 01:41:827 -

should be it as well, we went over the more important stuff in irc before, the futsuu is harder than a normal futsuu using 5plets and stuff like that but considering the song and the difficulty of the muzu it's okay. Also the 5plets are used in shorter 1/2 patterns so they aren't too strenuous.

[Kantan]
00:31:027 - you could add a d here to spread a bit better with the futsuu
00:43:027 - you could also add a note here and make it a kkddk 5plet instead
00:45:827 (20,21) - delete these notes since the pattern gets too long otherwise
00:49:427 - you could add a d here and then delete 00:50:227 (29) -
01:23:427 - this part is kinda overdone, i'll leave some suggestions on how to nerf it while still keeping a decent difficulty and interesting patterns
01:23:827 (2) - delete
01:26:627 (1,2,3,4,5) - change to ddkkd
01:29:027 (6) - delete
01:30:227 (8) - delete
01:34:627 (4) - delete, add k at 01:34:627 -
01:38:227 (10) - delete
01:41:827 (16) - delete
01:44:627 (22) - delete

that should be fine for this diff, the kantan using a few 5plets is okay considering the song and the futsuu but some of the patterns in the last kiai are overdone.

Chromoxx wrote:

here we go bois...

[Angel]
Change OD to 9, the bpm is really high and it would still be lower than OD6 DT. Also balance for mods like HR probably won't be an issue at this bpm lol... oh ok..lets try
00:03:127 - you could add a note here since it's clearly audible in the music wtf, i'm sure i've put a note here

the rest looks fine

[Inner Oni]
OD7.5 to fit between Oni and Angel properly, also this bpm highly warrants it
00:48:077 (249,250) - maybe ctrl G these, kdk would play smoother here imo
00:49:777 (270,271) - ^ changed to kkk instead

looks solid otherwise tbh

[Oni]
01:10:627 - the fact that this part is kinda denser than the first kiai in some ways annoys me, maybe just nerf a very slight bit
i'd suggest deleting notes like 01:11:927 (11,12,13) - and 01:13:527 (23,24,25) - etc.
01:17:027 - starting from here though i'd just suggest deleting 01:18:327 (59) - 01:19:927 (71) - deleted to my own patterns, this needs to delete a pretty lot of notes since after break shouldn't have dense..

the rest looks good tbh

[Muzukashii]
00:32:027 (84) - delete and change 00:31:827 (83) - to k to keep the pattern to a slightly shorter length and have more emphasis on 00:32:227 (85) - yes
00:34:027 - add some kind of note here maybe, the 3 triplets feel kinda weird and less dense than the rest changed

rest seems to be fine too, took the most important stuff apart in irc... the muzu may contain a few tricky patterns, but that is okay considering the nature of this song and since we're basicaly halving the bpm

[Futsuu]
01:41:827 (25) - i'd suggest deleting this slider since it doesn't really count as a break and a break is definitely neccesary here after that pattern, just replace it with a k at 01:41:827 - uh, i agree x_x

should be it as well, we went over the more important stuff in irc before, the futsuu is harder than a normal futsuu using 5plets and stuff like that but considering the song and the difficulty of the muzu it's okay. Also the 5plets are used in shorter 1/2 patterns so they aren't too strenuous.

[Kantan]
00:31:027 - you could add a d here to spread a bit better with the futsuu okay, it means i should add 00:27:827 - to keep the structure well
00:43:027 - you could also add a note here and make it a kkddk 5plet instead ok
00:45:827 (20,21) - delete these notes since the pattern gets too long otherwise yes
00:49:427 - you could add a d here and then delete 00:50:227 (29) - wow nice xD
01:23:427 - this part is kinda overdone, i'll leave some suggestions on how to nerf it while still keeping a decent difficulty and interesting patterns
01:23:827 (2) - delete
01:26:627 (1,2,3,4,5) - change to ddkkd
01:29:027 (6) - delete
01:30:227 (8) - delete
01:34:627 (4) - delete, add k at 01:34:627 -
01:38:227 (10) - delete
01:41:827 (16) - delete
01:44:627 (22) - delete
changed to my own patterns

that should be fine for this diff, the kantan using a few 5plets is okay considering the song and the futsuu but some of the patterns in the last kiai are overdone.

irc log from before

2017-01-27 01:39 Chromoxx: yo
2017-01-27 01:39 Chromoxx: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/833867 you - Hold Angel]
2017-01-27 01:39 Chromoxx: u wanna rank this? xD
2017-01-27 01:41 Nishizumi: idk :/
2017-01-27 01:41 Nishizumi: why
2017-01-27 01:41 Nishizumi: it's old map lol
2017-01-27 01:41 Nishizumi: hi btw xD
2017-01-27 01:41 Chromoxx: i mean it's pretty good
2017-01-27 01:41 Chromoxx: and would be nice to have some more hard maps ranked
2017-01-27 01:43 Nishizumi: but it's too hard
2017-01-27 01:43 Nishizumi: especially at the beginning stream
2017-01-27 01:43 Nishizumi: lol
2017-01-27 01:44 Chromoxx: tasuke and me could rank it
2017-01-27 01:44 Chromoxx: or even ozzy
2017-01-27 01:44 Nishizumi: what
2017-01-27 01:44 Nishizumi: did you talk it to them ?
2017-01-27 01:45 Chromoxx: i didn't talk to them about it... i'm just saying technically speaking we could rank it
2017-01-27 01:45 Chromoxx: if you were to make a set for this i would bubble check it
2017-01-27 01:45 Nishizumi: ozzy even accept my reqs to my last fortune
2017-01-27 01:46 Nishizumi: but he didn't come yet
2017-01-27 01:46 Nishizumi: well
2017-01-27 01:46 Nishizumi: maybe i have to do that from now ?
2017-01-27 01:46 Nishizumi: *req
2017-01-27 01:47 Chromoxx: idk... if you want to then please do it
2017-01-27 01:47 Chromoxx: i'm just letting know that i would be interested in seeing this ranked
2017-01-27 01:47 Chromoxx: and would help getting it there
2017-01-27 01:47 Nishizumi: hahahaha
2017-01-27 01:47 Chromoxx: whether you want to do it is entirely your decision :^)
2017-01-27 01:47 Nishizumi: ok ok
2017-01-27 01:47 Nishizumi: XD
2017-01-27 01:47 Chromoxx: xD
2017-01-27 01:48 Chromoxx: some things might need to be changed a bit but all in all i think it's a pretty good map
2017-01-27 01:48 Nishizumi: yes i know
2017-01-27 01:48 Nishizumi: my old style kinda suck
2017-01-27 01:48 Nishizumi: lol
2017-01-27 01:49 Chromoxx: well i listened to the map on a bit slower rate and most of the streams were mapped pretty well to the music
2017-01-27 01:49 Chromoxx: there are just some stuff that might be hard to read at that high bpm
2017-01-27 01:49 Nishizumi: yes
2017-01-27 01:49 Nishizumi: but
2017-01-27 01:49 Nishizumi: i wanna keep the longstreams
2017-01-27 01:50 Nishizumi: is it rankable ?
2017-01-27 01:50 Chromoxx: yes
2017-01-27 01:50 Chromoxx: it's rankable
2017-01-27 01:50 Nishizumi: like 00:32:027 - ?
2017-01-27 01:50 Chromoxx: there are just 1 or 2 patterns in the streams that should probably be changed in order to make it more readable
2017-01-27 01:51 Chromoxx: yeah, there's no rule that says you can't have 300bpm streams lol
2017-01-27 01:51 Nishizumi: specify it pls ;_;
2017-01-27 01:51 Chromoxx: and in this case it's a song that would fit
2017-01-27 01:51 Nishizumi: lol ok
2017-01-27 01:51 Nishizumi: i'll strongly keep it
2017-01-27 01:51 Chromoxx: 00:19:027 (145,146,147,148,149,150,151,152,153) - this isn't easily readable
2017-01-27 01:51 Nishizumi: oh
2017-01-27 01:51 Nishizumi: lol
2017-01-27 01:51 Nishizumi: ikr
2017-01-27 01:51 Chromoxx: because there color change happens on a blue tick after a long stream of monocolor notes
2017-01-27 01:52 Nishizumi: ye
2017-01-27 01:52 Nishizumi: xD
2017-01-27 01:52 Chromoxx: 00:28:827 (259,260,261,262,263) - this is also awkward to read
2017-01-27 01:52 Nishizumi: i know
2017-01-27 01:52 Nishizumi: blame my old style
2017-01-27 01:52 Nishizumi: T_T
2017-01-27 01:52 Chromoxx: yeah
2017-01-27 01:53 Chromoxx: there's only a few of those points though, they should probably be changed but the length of the streams etc. is fine with me
2017-01-27 01:53 Chromoxx: since here they do fit the music
2017-01-27 01:54 Nishizumi: yess
2017-01-27 01:54 Nishizumi: aight
2017-01-27 01:54 Nishizumi: i'll make fullset of this
2017-01-27 01:54 Chromoxx: dope :D
2017-01-27 02:02 Nishizumi: btw
2017-01-27 02:02 Nishizumi: after this stream 00:18:627 - no need to give a little break is ok ?
2017-01-27 02:02 Nishizumi: i mean 00:19:527 - this no need to delete after longstream
2017-01-27 02:02 Nishizumi: it's ok to have a note here after longstream
2017-01-27 02:02 Nishizumi: ?
2017-01-27 02:02 Chromoxx: deleting that note might be a good idea tbh
2017-01-27 02:04 Nishizumi: i want to keep consistency like 00:13:127 -
2017-01-27 02:04 Chromoxx: well keep things how you want them for now
2017-01-27 02:04 Nishizumi: ok :c
2017-01-27 02:04 Chromoxx: i'll look at the stuff that might need changing when there is a full set and point it out ^^
2017-01-27 02:04 Nishizumi: ok ^^
2017-01-27 02:26 Nishizumi: btw
2017-01-27 02:26 Nishizumi: why aren't you interested to this instead of hold angel
2017-01-27 02:26 Nishizumi: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/962495 Filthy - Comfort BLAST]
2017-01-27 02:26 Nishizumi: :p
2017-01-27 02:27 Chromoxx: liked hold angel more as a song
2017-01-27 02:27 Chromoxx: if tasuke or someone bubbled comfort blast you could ask me for that too tho
2017-01-27 02:27 Nishizumi: oh god
2017-01-27 02:27 Nishizumi: lol
2017-01-27 02:27 Nishizumi: ok lol
2017-01-27 02:28 Chromoxx: (:
2017-01-27 12:57 Nishizumi: yo chromoxx
2017-01-27 12:57 Nishizumi: it's done xD
2017-01-27 12:57 Nishizumi: but i'm bad about spread
2017-01-27 13:00 Chromoxx: uploaded?
2017-01-27 13:00 Nishizumi: yes..
2017-01-27 13:04 Chromoxx: inner oni plays a lot smoother now
2017-01-27 13:04 Nishizumi: yes
2017-01-27 13:05 Nishizumi: but gap oni-inner oni is ok ?
2017-01-27 13:08 Nishizumi: i'm honestly confused with rhythm on oni lol
2017-01-27 13:08 Chromoxx: hm
2017-01-27 13:08 Chromoxx: oni might need some work
2017-01-27 13:09 Nishizumi: yes
2017-01-27 13:09 Nishizumi: because i'm bad about spread T_T
2017-01-27 13:10 Chromoxx: like the diffs feel like they have the same density in some parts where they shouldn't have
2017-01-27 13:11 Nishizumi: yes T_T
2017-01-27 13:12 Chromoxx: 00:00:227 - the start part reminds me too much of the inner oni
2017-01-27 13:12 Chromoxx: maybe try starting off less dense and gradually increasing the density
2017-01-27 13:13 Nishizumi: lol tru
2017-01-27 13:13 Nishizumi: just reduce it a bit from inner
2017-01-27 13:13 Nishizumi: lol
2017-01-27 13:13 Nishizumi: maybe to the first part, only triplet ?
2017-01-27 13:14 Chromoxx: start off low density at 00:00:227 - then make it a bit more dense at 00:06:627 - 
2017-01-27 13:14 Chromoxx: same with 00:13:027 - and 00:19:427 - 
2017-01-27 13:14 Nishizumi: yes
2017-01-27 13:14 Nishizumi: done
2017-01-27 13:15 Chromoxx: and the muzu is a bit too hard imo
2017-01-27 13:15 Nishizumi: i want to make it same on 00:00:227 - and 00:06:627
2017-01-27 13:16 Nishizumi: i just try to minimize gap oni to inner
2017-01-27 13:16 Nishizumi: T_T
2017-01-27 13:16 Chromoxx: gap to inner can be relatively big
2017-01-27 13:16 Chromoxx: since you are basically mapping the double bpm for that
2017-01-27 13:16 Nishizumi: oh
2017-01-27 13:16 Chromoxx: spread to inner oni doesn't matter since it's the highest diff
2017-01-27 13:16 Nishizumi: didn't know :o
2017-01-27 13:16 Chromoxx: it would be better to keep the oni in a way that it makes sense as a diff
2017-01-27 13:17 Nishizumi: btw between 00:06:227 - and 00:06:627 - what if i make a little break here
2017-01-27 13:17 Nishizumi: ok xD
2017-01-27 13:18 Chromoxx: yeah that would also work
2017-01-27 13:19 Nishizumi: ok
2017-01-27 13:21 Chromoxx: kantan is also problematic 00:00:227 - is the same pattern as 00:25:827 - 
2017-01-27 13:22 Nishizumi: yes
2017-01-27 13:22 Chromoxx: like generally spread wise it's okay, but the problem is the diffs themselves
2017-01-27 13:22 Nishizumi: T_T
2017-01-27 13:22 Chromoxx: the density of the intense parts isn't much more than that of the slower ones
2017-01-27 13:22 Nishizumi: btw i intended to make oni harder than normally
2017-01-27 13:22 Chromoxx: i'd suggest you rework the diffs again trying to make the density of the parts relate to eachother
2017-01-27 13:23 Nishizumi: that's why OD 6 on oni
2017-01-27 13:23 Chromoxx: the general difficulty of the oni is okay tbh
2017-01-27 13:23 Nishizumi: but the problem is lower diffs ?
2017-01-27 13:23 Chromoxx: problem is kantan-oni
2017-01-27 13:23 Chromoxx: not the spread, but the diffs themselves
2017-01-27 13:24 Chromoxx: density of the calm parts should be lower when compared to the intense parts
2017-01-27 13:24 Nishizumi: i see
2017-01-27 13:24 Nishizumi: will nerf them
2017-01-27 13:27 Chromoxx: yeah, hmu again when it's done
2017-01-27 13:27 Chromoxx: gonna work on it together with ozzy
2017-01-27 13:27 Nishizumi: did you talk to him ?
2017-01-27 13:27 Chromoxx: yeah, talking on discord atm
2017-01-27 13:28 Nishizumi: wow
2017-01-27 13:28 Nishizumi: okay
2017-01-27 13:28 Nishizumi: btw
2017-01-27 13:28 Nishizumi: what about this 01:10:627 - on muzu ?
2017-01-27 13:29 Nishizumi: should i nerf that doublets
2017-01-27 13:30 Chromoxx: i'd just suggest deleting 01:10:827 (3) - and 01:12:427 (11) - etc for the first half
2017-01-27 13:30 Nishizumi: what if no
2017-01-27 13:32 Chromoxx: just do your stuff for now as you think, since it'll be a bit of a rework anyway i'll look at specifics afterwards
2017-01-27 13:32 Nishizumi: ok XD
2017-01-27 13:51 Nishizumi: done xD
2017-01-27 13:52 Nishizumi: i hope this would be better
2017-01-27 14:02 Chromoxx: ok so i just asked uone if there were any strange parts
2017-01-27 14:02 Chromoxx: he was like "well.... strange....."
2017-01-27 14:02 Chromoxx: "the longest stream at the beginning is..... impossible."
2017-01-27 14:02 Nishizumi: maybe ask him to specify it (?)
2017-01-27 14:02 Nishizumi: oh
2017-01-27 14:02 Nishizumi: should i nerf it...
2017-01-27 14:02 Chromoxx: i'll ask
2017-01-27 14:04 Nishizumi: ok
2017-01-27 14:06 Chromoxx: he said if you split it into 2 and add a single note inbetween it would be a lot easier to hit
2017-01-27 14:07 Nishizumi: lol
2017-01-27 14:07 Nishizumi: well let me try
2017-01-27 14:07 Chromoxx: okay
2017-01-27 14:07 Nishizumi: just it the strange part ?
2017-01-27 14:07 Chromoxx: yeah, that was all
2017-01-27 14:07 Chromoxx: he said the rest looked like he would be able to FC
2017-01-27 14:09 Nishizumi: https://puu.sh/tC0nh/3962370d9f.png how about this
2017-01-27 14:09 Chromoxx: 00:32:027 - he means this one
2017-01-27 14:10 Nishizumi: oh i thought at the beginning
2017-01-27 14:10 Nishizumi: the beginning stream is ok ?
2017-01-27 14:10 Chromoxx: yeah
2017-01-27 14:11 Chromoxx: 00:32:027 - but to be fair the stream here is a lot longer than all the other streams in the map
2017-01-27 14:12 Nishizumi: will nerf it
2017-01-27 14:12 Nishizumi: yes
2017-01-27 14:13 Chromoxx: 00:51:227 - for oni00:51:427 - for the oni and lower diffs this part was a bit too constantly dense imo
2017-01-27 14:13 Nishizumi: ACTION is away: afk
2017-01-28 01:08 Nishizumi: hey chromoxx
2017-01-28 01:08 Chromoxx: yo
2017-01-28 01:13 Nishizumi: what if i keep the longstream
2017-01-28 01:13 Nishizumi: since i think
2017-01-28 01:13 Nishizumi: the length of stream is similar as galaxy collapse lol
2017-01-28 01:14 Chromoxx: hm
2017-01-28 01:14 Chromoxx: well it's longer than everything else in the map and it's relatively far in the beginning
2017-01-28 01:17 Nishizumi: T_T
2017-01-28 01:17 Nishizumi: ok..
2017-01-28 01:17 Nishizumi: updated xD
2017-01-28 01:18 Chromoxx: yeah, i'll look at the lower diffs again sometime soon with ozzy
2017-01-28 01:18 Chromoxx: we gonna give people a nice surprise when they look and are like "oh wtf there is a 7* map qualified" xD
2017-01-28 01:19 Nishizumi: lol
2017-01-28 01:19 Nishizumi: more surprise if
2017-01-28 01:19 Nishizumi: wtf another 300bpm
2017-01-28 01:19 Chromoxx: xD
2017-01-28 01:33 Chromoxx: inner oni looks pretty solid to me ow
2017-01-28 01:33 Chromoxx: now
2017-01-28 01:35 Nishizumi: xD
2017-01-28 01:36 Chromoxx: 01:00:827 (296) - in the oni you could delete this note for example
2017-01-28 01:36 Chromoxx: to have the patterns with a consistent length
2017-01-28 01:37 Nishizumi: oh okay
2017-01-28 01:37 Chromoxx: 00:13:027 - also you could have this part slightly more dense than the part before
2017-01-28 01:37 Nishizumi: intended to improved a bit, but looks bad
2017-01-28 01:38 Nishizumi: is it more dense than the part before this ?
2017-01-28 01:38 Chromoxx: 00:14:527 - like add a note here, 00:17:727 - 00:20:927 - 00:24:127 - 
2017-01-28 01:38 Chromoxx: that should be enough
2017-01-28 01:38 Chromoxx: since the music is more intense than before but you have the same density
2017-01-28 01:41 Nishizumi: oh
2017-01-28 01:41 Nishizumi: added btw
2017-01-28 01:41 Nishizumi: 00:16:127 - added too
2017-01-28 01:41 Chromoxx: ok
2017-01-28 01:44 Nishizumi: updated lol
2017-01-28 01:45 Nishizumi: also give some break in first kiai
2017-01-28 01:46 Chromoxx: oni doesn't need to be any less dense in the kiais
2017-01-28 01:47 Nishizumi: uh
2017-01-28 01:47 Chromoxx: it's alredy pretty easy considering the song
2017-01-28 01:47 Nishizumi: ok T_T
2017-01-28 01:47 Nishizumi: so back to add some notes..?
2017-01-28 01:47 Chromoxx: yeah
2017-01-28 01:47 Chromoxx: not saying you should make it more dense than it was before
2017-01-28 01:47 Chromoxx: before was fine tbh in the kiais
2017-01-28 01:49 Nishizumi: updated
2017-01-28 01:49 Nishizumi: lol my bad
2017-01-28 01:52 Chromoxx: lel np
2017-01-28 01:53 Chromoxx: i'll take a closer look at it later with ozzy
2017-01-28 01:53 Nishizumi: ok
2017-01-28 01:53 Nishizumi: thanks
2017-01-28 01:53 Nishizumi: xD
2017-01-28 01:53 Chromoxx: np
2017-01-28 15:09 Chromoxx: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7169943
2017-01-28 15:09 Chromoxx: wtf
2017-01-28 15:09 Chromoxx: i asked him to testplay, he did this first try XD
2017-01-28 15:10 Nishizumi: ik
2017-01-28 15:10 Nishizumi: even
2017-01-28 15:11 Nishizumi: if i don't nerf the longstream
2017-01-28 15:11 Nishizumi: he still can fc
2017-01-28 15:11 Nishizumi: he already did it btw
2017-01-28 15:11 Chromoxx: yeah
2017-01-28 15:12 Chromoxx: he just dropped it out casually first try without warmup tho lol
2017-01-28 15:12 Nishizumi: that's why i want to keep the longstream tbh
2017-01-28 15:15 Chromoxx: hm
2017-01-28 15:15 Chromoxx: well it still makes more sense when regarding the map as a whole to have it cut
2017-01-28 15:15 Chromoxx: the 2 streams you cut it into are still pretty much longer than anything else you have in the map
2017-01-28 15:17 Nishizumi: yes
2017-01-28 15:17 Nishizumi: :c
2017-01-28 15:18 Chromoxx: going for the long stream just for the sake of difficulty here isn't the best choice imo
2017-01-28 15:18 Chromoxx: since the map is still hard enough to give most people a challenge, i doubt there are even 50 people who can FC it atm
2017-01-28 15:21 Chromoxx: gg internet crashed
2017-01-28 15:22 Chromoxx: anyway, inner oni should be fine now
2017-01-28 15:22 Chromoxx: patterns make sense to the music for me, seem playable enough in general and pro players also don't have any complaints about it
2017-01-28 15:24 Nishizumi: xD
2017-01-28 15:25 Chromoxx: just lower diffs are still slightly problematic
2017-01-28 15:26 Nishizumi: oni included ?
2017-01-28 15:26 Chromoxx: oni seems relatively fine now
2017-01-28 15:26 Chromoxx: basically we're pretty ok with the difficulty of the muzu and futsuu
2017-01-28 15:26 Chromoxx: biggest problem is the kantan
2017-01-28 15:28 Nishizumi: hmm...
2017-01-28 15:28 Nishizumi: what's problem on kantan
2017-01-28 15:30 Chromoxx: well, the kantan is basically the futsuu without quads and 5plets
2017-01-28 15:30 Chromoxx: spacings used aren't getting less
2017-01-28 15:31 Chromoxx: muzu = 1/1 patterns with 1/2 triplets/doublets
2017-01-28 15:31 Chromoxx: futsuu = 2/1 patterns with 1/1 triplets, quads and 5plets
2017-01-28 15:31 Chromoxx: katnan = 2/1 patterns with 1/1 triplets
2017-01-28 15:33 Nishizumi: hmm
2017-01-28 15:34 Nishizumi: let me remap kantan
2017-01-28 15:34 Chromoxx: ok :D
2017-01-28 15:34 Chromoxx: futsuu and muzu is basically just a few things that can be pointed out easily in a mod
2017-01-28 15:36 Nishizumi: ok xD
2017-01-28 15:36 Chromoxx: also do you wanna maybe map a diff between oni and inner oni that uses 1/4 patterns but not too long streams etc.
2017-01-28 15:38 Nishizumi: i see
2017-01-28 15:38 Nishizumi: but what diffname
2017-01-28 15:38 Chromoxx: just call it Inner Oni
2017-01-28 15:38 Nishizumi: or i should change "inner oni" to something special name
2017-01-28 15:38 Chromoxx: and give the current Inner Oni some edgy diffname
2017-01-28 15:38 Nishizumi: and make new inner oni
2017-01-28 15:38 Chromoxx: yeah
2017-01-28 15:38 Nishizumi: lol
2017-01-28 15:39 Chromoxx: current Inner Oni could be called something nice and edgy or if you can't come up with something just "Hell Oni"
2017-01-28 15:39 Nishizumi: maybe only Angel is rankable name ?
2017-01-28 15:39 Nishizumi: uh i don't want hell oni more
2017-01-28 15:40 Nishizumi: x_x
2017-01-28 15:41 Chromoxx: Angel should be rankable
2017-01-28 15:43 Nishizumi: okay
2017-01-28 15:44 Nishizumi: updated kantan
2017-01-28 15:47 Chromoxx: ayy
2017-01-28 15:47 Nishizumi: xd
2017-01-28 15:49 Chromoxx: well
2017-01-28 15:49 Chromoxx: the kantan is still basically using the same spacing as the futsuu just shorter patterns
2017-01-28 15:49 Nishizumi: looks better ?
2017-01-28 15:49 Nishizumi: xD
2017-01-28 15:50 Nishizumi: but i changes some notes
2017-01-28 15:50 Chromoxx: i'd suggest using 4/1 as the main spacing and 8/1 as the "breaks"
2017-01-28 15:50 Nishizumi: for different structure
2017-01-28 15:50 Nishizumi: example ?
2017-01-28 15:50 Chromoxx: you can spam some 2/1 patterns as you like (3plets, 5plets mainly) and maybe at VERY intense parts add a 1/2 triplet
2017-01-28 15:51 Chromoxx: lower diffs should usually scale up in spacing not length of patterns
2017-01-28 15:55 Nishizumi: lead me pls, give an example to do it
2017-01-28 15:55 Nishizumi: i'm honestly bad to make lower diffs
2017-01-28 15:55 Nishizumi: :(
2017-01-28 15:55 Nishizumi: osu.ppy.sh/ss/7170112
2017-01-28 15:55 Nishizumi: maybe like this after first kiai ?
2017-01-28 15:56 Chromoxx: can you send it so i can click the link pls?
2017-01-28 15:57 Nishizumi: oops
2017-01-28 15:57 Nishizumi: https://a
2017-01-28 15:57 Nishizumi: eh
2017-01-28 15:57 Nishizumi: lol
2017-01-28 15:57 Nishizumi: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7170112
2017-01-28 15:57 Nishizumi: wait
2017-01-28 15:57 Chromoxx: well, for starters delete all notes in the diff, we gonna remap this
2017-01-28 15:58 Nishizumi: then upload it ??
2017-01-28 15:58 Nishizumi: i mean update
2017-01-28 15:58 Chromoxx: it doesn't matter when you update it
2017-01-28 15:59 Nishizumi: ok
2017-01-28 15:59 Nishizumi: delete until 00:25:027 - ?
2017-01-28 15:59 Chromoxx: let's start by nerfing some of the slower parts in muzu and futsuu
2017-01-28 16:00 Chromoxx: so that you can relate to those diffs spread wise afterwards
2017-01-28 16:00 Chromoxx: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1192273 you - Hold Angel [Muzukashii]]
2017-01-28 16:00 Chromoxx: 00:00:227 - this part is still too dense with notes
2017-01-28 16:03 Nishizumi: oops disconnected
2017-01-28 16:04 Chromoxx: 00:00:427 - 00:00:827 - 00:02:027 - 00:02:427 - 00:03:227 - 00:03:627 - 00:04:027 - 00:05:227 - 00:06:427 - 00:08:027 - 00:09:627 - 00:11:227 - 
2017-01-28 16:04 Chromoxx: these would be good positions for not having a note in the start part
2017-01-28 16:05 Chromoxx: that way you have some sort of buildup toward the second half where it gets more intense and the overall length of the 1/1 chains isn't longer than some in the later parts
2017-01-28 16:05 Chromoxx: 01:49:027 - similar stuff back here
2017-01-28 16:05 Chromoxx: 00:51:427 - and for the part here o ooooo o ooooo o ooooo etc. would work better
2017-01-28 16:06 Chromoxx: (this is all in the muzu btw)
2017-01-28 16:07 Nishizumi: wow
2017-01-28 16:07 Nishizumi: deleted all
2017-01-28 16:07 Nishizumi: that you mentioned first
2017-01-28 16:09 Chromoxx: for the end part deleting stuff like 01:49:227 - 01:50:827 (10) - 01:52:427 (17) - etc. would suffice
2017-01-28 16:09 Nishizumi: and start from 00:13:027 - delete all 1/2 triplets
2017-01-28 16:09 Nishizumi: yes
2017-01-28 16:09 Nishizumi: copied from the beginning part
2017-01-28 16:10 Chromoxx: 00:51:627 - and when deleting these notes in this part you'd need to change every second 5plet pattern in order to not be repetitive
2017-01-28 16:11 Nishizumi: yes
2017-01-28 16:11 Nishizumi: done
2017-01-28 16:16 Chromoxx: oh yeah one last thing for the muzu
2017-01-28 16:16 Chromoxx: maybe consider making the triplets like 01:36:727 (126,127,128) - monocolor
2017-01-28 16:17 Nishizumi: keep to d k like second kiai is better
2017-01-28 16:17 Nishizumi: i guess
2017-01-28 16:18 Nishizumi: updated muzu btw
2017-01-28 16:18 Nishizumi: lol
2017-01-28 16:18 Chromoxx: ok
2017-01-28 16:19 Chromoxx: well, you're already having the muzu be relatively hard by using very dense patterns, so using multicolor triplets in there too might be a bit over the top imo
2017-01-28 16:19 Nishizumi: yes
2017-01-28 16:20 Nishizumi: maybe update first and check again ?
2017-01-28 16:21 Chromoxx: 01:55:427 - why is the end unmapped LOL
2017-01-28 16:22 Nishizumi: eh
2017-01-28 16:22 Nishizumi: lol
2017-01-28 16:22 Chromoxx: but yeah the parts look better now
2017-01-28 16:23 Nishizumi: xD
2017-01-28 16:24 Nishizumi: updated btw
2017-01-28 16:24 Nishizumi: lol
2017-01-28 16:24 Nishizumi: many updates on this map T_T
2017-01-28 16:25 Chromoxx: xD
2017-01-28 16:25 Chromoxx: rip recent activity
2017-01-28 16:25 Nishizumi: hahahaha
2017-01-28 16:25 Nishizumi: :(
2017-01-28 16:25 Chromoxx: ok main stuff in the muzu is done for now
2017-01-28 16:26 Nishizumi: xD
2017-01-28 16:28 Chromoxx: futsuu
2017-01-28 16:28 Nishizumi: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1192271 you - Hold Angel [Futsuu]]
2017-01-28 16:28 Nishizumi: yeah
2017-01-28 16:28 Chromoxx: first of all remove all 1/1 in the parts we just went over for the muzu
2017-01-28 16:30 Chromoxx: muzu isn't using 1/2 in these parts at all so you shouldn't be using 1/1 here in the futsuu
2017-01-28 16:31 Nishizumi: ok..
2017-01-28 16:31 Nishizumi: give example pls (screenshot) ?
2017-01-28 16:32 Chromoxx: i mean just to remove all the 1/1 notes in the parts like 00:00:227 - 00:51:427 - 01:49:027 - 
2017-01-28 16:32 Chromoxx: and update
2017-01-28 16:33 Chromoxx: then i can give some other notes to delete to make it scale with what we did in the muzu
2017-01-28 16:33 Nishizumi: like current kantan ?
2017-01-28 16:34 Chromoxx: 00:00:827 (3) - delete this etc.
2017-01-28 16:34 Chromoxx: after that we aren't done yet i just want you to delete them for now and update so that i can look at it without all the 1/1 in the way
2017-01-28 16:36 Nishizumi: done
2017-01-28 16:36 Nishizumi: updated
2017-01-28 16:38 Chromoxx: ok
2017-01-28 16:39 Chromoxx: 00:13:627 (3) - you didn't remove these yet
2017-01-28 16:40 Nishizumi: what..
2017-01-28 16:40 Nishizumi: i thought i've do it
2017-01-28 16:41 Chromoxx: lol
2017-01-28 16:41 Chromoxx: happens sometimes xD
2017-01-28 16:41 Nishizumi: updated
2017-01-28 16:41 Nishizumi: T_T rip my profile
2017-01-28 16:42 Chromoxx: xD
2017-01-28 16:43 Chromoxx: 00:00:627 - 00:03:827 - 00:07:027 - 00:10:227 - 00:15:827 - 00:19:027 - 00:22:227 - delete these
2017-01-28 16:43 Chromoxx: basically
2017-01-28 16:43 Chromoxx: part 1 = solved
2017-01-28 16:45 Nishizumi: done
2017-01-28 16:46 Chromoxx: 00:51:427 - o ooooo o ooooo o ooooo o ooooo again
2017-01-28 16:46 Chromoxx: would be good
2017-01-28 16:46 Chromoxx: so delete 00:51:827 - 00:55:027 - etc
2017-01-28 16:46 Nishizumi: and change structure (d ddkdk d dkkdk)
2017-01-28 16:46 Chromoxx: yeah
2017-01-28 16:47 Nishizumi: done
2017-01-28 16:47 Chromoxx: and yeah, you know what to do about the end part right ^^
2017-01-28 16:48 Nishizumi: yes ^^
2017-01-28 16:49 Chromoxx: i also feel like the last 2 kiais could use at least one 4/1 break each
2017-01-28 16:51 Nishizumi: done
2017-01-28 16:52 Nishizumi: updted
2017-01-28 16:52 Chromoxx: 01:13:427 - you can also change this to d to make it less repetitive
2017-01-28 16:53 Chromoxx: 01:15:027 - this also maybe
2017-01-28 16:55 Nishizumi: chnged to D k  d d k   k d k   d d k   k D kd ...............
2017-01-28 16:55 Chromoxx: ok
2017-01-28 16:55 Nishizumi: 01:10:627 - start from here
2017-01-28 16:56 Chromoxx: 00:30:427 (16) - you might wanna move this to 00:31:227 - btw
2017-01-28 16:56 Chromoxx: fits better than the 5plet imo
2017-01-28 16:56 Chromoxx: 00:32:827 (4,5) - ctrl G, will contrast better to the next 5plet
2017-01-28 16:56 Chromoxx: 00:36:827 (17) - same as earlier
2017-01-28 16:57 Nishizumi: 00:29:427 - start from here k k d   k  d  k k d instead
2017-01-28 16:57 Chromoxx: 00:41:427 (29) - move to 00:40:827 - to not leave too much monotonous 2/1 spacing and give a bit of a break
2017-01-28 16:57 Nishizumi: for k k d consistency
2017-01-28 16:57 Chromoxx: ok
2017-01-28 16:58 Chromoxx: just some random things i noticed in the first kiai
2017-01-28 16:59 Nishizumi: changed all above
2017-01-28 16:59 Nishizumi: :c
2017-01-28 16:59 Chromoxx: basically for the kantan i'd suggest mapping it with similar stuff as in the futsuu but just half the spacing
2017-01-28 16:59 Chromoxx: so where you'd use 1/1 in the futsuu you use 2/1 in the kantan etc
2017-01-28 17:00 Nishizumi: so..
2017-01-28 17:00 Nishizumi: kantan should remap again ?
2017-01-28 17:00 Chromoxx: maybe a bit longer 2/1 patterns than you'd use 1/1 patterns in the futsuu are possible (some 5plets etc.)
2017-01-28 17:00 Chromoxx: yes
2017-01-28 17:00 Chromoxx: Kantan is still using the same spacings as the futsuu, which shouldn't be the case for lower diffs
2017-01-28 17:01 Chromoxx: futsuu-muzu is okay, since futsuu is using 2/1 + 1/1 and muzu 1/1 + 1/2
2017-01-28 17:01 Chromoxx: but kantan is also 2/1 + 1/1, just slightly less dense atm.... should be more 4/1 + 2/1 for a proper spread
2017-01-28 17:02 Nishizumi: hmm.....
2017-01-28 17:02 Nishizumi: i'll try
2017-01-28 17:04 Chromoxx: okay
2017-01-28 17:04 Chromoxx: you can hit me up after that and i'll try help you fix that up
2017-01-28 17:04 Chromoxx: after that i should be able to drop a quick forum mod and we can probably get this going :D
2017-01-28 17:05 Chromoxx: oh yeah also when the new inner oni is done
2017-01-28 17:09 Nishizumi: okay xD
2017-01-28 17:09 Nishizumi: sorry for make you inconvenience :x
2017-01-28 17:09 Chromoxx: np
2017-01-28 17:10 Chromoxx: i'm the one who messaged you about it in the first place lol
2017-01-28 17:10 Nishizumi: lol
2017-01-28 17:20 Chromoxx: just hopefully you can learn somethin about spread and density relation from this
2017-01-28 17:20 Chromoxx: so that next time it will be easier :D
2017-01-28 17:23 Nishizumi: yeah i learned it
2017-01-28 17:23 Nishizumi: but still can't lol
2017-01-28 17:23 Chromoxx: lol
2017-01-28 22:41 Nishizumi: hey chromoxx
2017-01-28 22:41 Nishizumi: all done
2017-01-28 22:41 Nishizumi: inner, kantan
2017-01-28 22:41 Chromoxx: yo
2017-01-28 22:41 Chromoxx: lemme test out the inner oni
2017-01-28 22:42 Nishizumi: yeah
2017-01-28 22:53 Chromoxx: inner oni seems the same as the angel diff at the start/end
2017-01-28 22:54 Nishizumi: lol yeah
2017-01-28 22:54 Nishizumi: purposely
2017-01-28 22:56 Chromoxx: well, having entire sections exactly the same as another diff isn't really acceptable
2017-01-28 22:57 Nishizumi: so...
2017-01-28 22:57 Nishizumi: what should i do
2017-01-28 22:58 Chromoxx: just change it a bit....
2017-01-28 22:58 Chromoxx: it can be similar, just not the exact same lol
2017-01-28 22:59 Nishizumi: btw i make differentiate between inner and angel by deleted only some notes
2017-01-28 22:59 Nishizumi: what should i chnge
2017-01-28 23:00 Chromoxx: idk, decide for yourself :o
2017-01-28 23:00 Chromoxx: the set looks to be at the point where i can probably drop a forum mod sometime now
2017-01-28 23:01 Nishizumi: i don't even know what should i change again here
2017-01-28 23:02 Chromoxx: just make it different in at least some way from the angel diff
2017-01-28 23:05 Nishizumi: i did my best
2017-01-28 23:05 Nishizumi: i've compared to angel and oni
2017-01-28 23:05 Nishizumi: but this is my best T_T
2017-01-28 23:06 Chromoxx: the diff as a whole is ok
2017-01-28 23:06 Chromoxx: it's just the start and end part lol
2017-01-28 23:06 Chromoxx: which is exactly the same
2017-01-28 23:09 Nishizumi: updated
2017-01-28 23:09 Nishizumi: i don't know what should i do anymore
2017-01-28 23:10 Nishizumi: x_x
2017-01-28 23:11 Chromoxx: looks better now
2017-01-28 23:12 Nishizumi: :)
2017-01-28 23:12 Chromoxx: 00:51:427 - this part also is the exact same iirc
2017-01-28 23:13 Chromoxx: i'd suggest changing a few little things here again to make it not the exact same
2017-01-28 23:14 Nishizumi: remove all 1/2 triplets
2017-01-28 23:14 Chromoxx: something you could try
2017-01-28 23:14 Nishizumi: i don't want to change the color for now
2017-01-28 23:14 Nishizumi: after you post a mod x_x
2017-01-28 23:15 Chromoxx: okay
2017-01-28 23:15 Chromoxx: i'll get back to it in a few days or so
2017-01-28 23:15 Nishizumi: okay
2017-01-28 23:15 Nishizumi: xD

thanks chromoxx

EDIT : I LOST MY ONI T_T Chromoxx please give me the oni diff so i can update this
my bad TT_TT

Did i just make a mod with 100% accept rate?!?

Also how the fuck does one lose a diff on a set one already submitted LMAO...

went over some last stuff in irc again, changed the mp3, timing is still correct.
the lower difficulties may be slightly on te difficult side but for this song it is definitely justified in my opinion.

Let's give this a try, BUBBLED!

Chromoxx wrote:

went over some last stuff in irc again, changed the mp3, timing is still correct.
the lower difficulties may be slightly on te difficult side but for this song it is definitely justified in my opinion.

Let's give this a try, BUBBLED!

wooooow thank you

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[Futsuu]

1. 01:18:627 (19) - Missing Finisher?
2. 01:48:527 (47) - the rhythm seems sudden. remove?

[Muzukashii]

1. 01:40:327 - I recommend to add d to keep high dencity.
2. 01:21:627 (50) - remove? Muzukashii and Kantan don(t have a note here

[Inner Oni]

1. 01:40:827 - too ez for kiai time. Try to make 5-plet here.

[Angel]

1. 01:40:827 - same as Inner Oni.
2. 01:41:427 - could have a 5-plet for the same reason.

you may call me if you want to go to heaven

tasuke912 wrote:

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[Futsuu]

1. 01:18:627 (19) - Missing Finisher? actually it was intentional. but i think it's good tho
2. 01:48:527 (47) - the rhythm seems sudden. remove? sure

[Muzukashii]

1. 01:40:327 - I recommend to add d to keep high dencity. i thought it was unrankable. added anyway
2. 01:21:627 (50) - remove? Muzukashii and Kantan don(t have a note here ye

[Inner Oni]

1. 01:40:827 - too ez for kiai time. Try to make 5-plet here. i think it doesn't need, since the next has quite hard in kiai too. and better to emphasize note at 01:40:927 - since it's very intense. may be interesting if do so.

[Angel]

1. 01:40:827 - same as Inner Oni. same
2. 01:41:427 - could have a 5-plet for the same reason. same

you may call me if you want to go to heaven

thanks for the mod

selfmod : in inner, change 01:40:627 - to kat, consistent with oni and inner

you - Hold rsi

Angel (in Javanese language) = Hard

well meme'd this map, ready go to heaven.. angel... oooooh

Taiko needs more like this

Qualified!

thanks XD

apaan anjing 1 page uda qualified
paling bsknya ke dq

Surono wrote:

ok thanks, terima kasih referensi debat di mars

PatZar wrote:

dq

tbh, went patzar post something like this.. THIS WURDS.. wtf, I remem my get rich map and aniki get dq cuz patzar post.. well M A G I C A L. hope this will nt happens

gratzu desu

Ayy, gratz man! 👌

anyway,