15:13 Doyak: Hi Nardo, do you take testplay requests?
15:13 Nardoxyribonucleic: hmm okay
15:14 Doyak:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/46656415:14 Doyak: map is this, thanks~
15:20 Nardoxyribonucleic: Futsuu: gap with Kantan is too big, try to use fewer 1/2 notes
15:21 Doyak: hmm alright, will try that
15:21 Doyak: Actually I wanted to use more notes on Kantan... but that 3/2 gaps are...
15:21 Nardoxyribonucleic: Oni: looks good except minor pattern changes
15:21 Nardoxyribonucleic: Inner Oni: may need some pattern refinements for the 1/4 notes
15:22 Doyak: well
15:22 Doyak: like how?
15:22 Doyak: for Inner Oni
15:22 Doyak: I was pretty careful with every 1/4 sounds
15:23 Doyak: maybe the pattern is kinda hard because of that, but still follows the song
15:23 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:16:867 (120) - d would be better owing to the pitch drop
15:24 Doyak: uhh that was for the sake of variety
15:24 Doyak: 00:13:685 (93,94,95,96) - dkkd 00:15:140 (105,106,107,108) - kkkd 00:16:594 (117,118,119,120) - dkkk
15:25 Nardoxyribonucleic: I think following the song is more important
15:25 Doyak: the pitch drops, but still that's the only one that has that twinkle sound
15:26 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:15:776 - 00:16:140 - 00:16:503 - 00:16:867 - just focus on these sounds and you will know why d would be better
15:26 Doyak: Yeah I know what you mean
15:27 Doyak: I wasn't really following that sound though
15:27 Doyak: anyway will consider that
15:27 Nardoxyribonucleic: Yep, but the melody is really more prominent than the drums at these spots
15:28 Nardoxyribonucleic: the same goes for 00:28:503 (217) -
15:28 Doyak: ok, fixed both
15:29 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:41:958 (329) - maybe k to fit the dynamic you made like 00:39:049 (306,312,317,323) - ?
15:30 Doyak: hmm it's like
15:30 Doyak: I wanted to represent the sound of 00:41:594 - and 00:42:140 - more effieicnetly
15:32 Nardoxyribonucleic: But you followed a strict snare consistency except that spot lol
15:33 Doyak: oh yeah, might change that as I did on 00:36:140 (282) -
15:33 Doyak: alright, fixed
15:33 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:53:594 (424) - same as above
15:33 Doyak: ofc, it's just a copy&paste so it's a sure thing
15:36 *Nardoxyribonucleic is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/999019 3R2 - Brawl Breaks [Muzukashii]]
15:36 Nardoxyribonucleic: I would say there are not enough breaks in the lower difficulties...
15:37 Nardoxyribonucleic: Muzukashii should have some 2/1 rest moments
15:37 Doyak: Oh 2/1s?
15:37 Doyak: Well... would try to make some if possible
15:37 Doyak: but the nature of this song is just... without rests
15:38 Nardoxyribonucleic: If this song is just 30s, it would be fine for Muzukashii to have no rests
15:38 Doyak: I did put quite a lot of 1/1 rests though
15:38 Nardoxyribonucleic: 1/1 is not a valid break for Muzukashii
15:39 Doyak: Any good places to put that rest?
15:39 Nardoxyribonucleic: let me think...
15:40 Nardoxyribonucleic: but before that, maybe 00:12:503 (51) - add finish for the somehow stressed sound?
15:40 Doyak: Shall I do that for all diffs?
15:40 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:35:776 (168) - same as ^
15:40 Doyak: First I thought it would be rather a harsh 1/4 finish for Inner Oni
15:41 Nardoxyribonucleic: Don't do it in Oni and Inner Oni as this will blend into the 1/4s
15:41 Doyak: ok
15:41 Nardoxyribonucleic: which does not flow good imo
15:41 Doyak: will do that on lower diffs only
15:42 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:47:412 (223) - as well
15:42 Doyak: Sure, fixed all
15:44 Nardoxyribonucleic: solution 1: delete 00:23:594 (107,108,109) -
15:45 Nardoxyribonucleic: solution 2: delete 00:36:140 (169,170) - , add d at 00:36:503 - and change 00:36:685 (171) - to k
15:45 Doyak: Feels too empty but well...
15:45 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:47:776 - same for ^ (solution 2)
15:46 Doyak: oh but 00:36:321 - this is what I really wanted to represent
15:46 Doyak: as I even put that note on Kantan
15:47 Nardoxyribonucleic: Kantan needs 4/1 breaks too
15:47 Nardoxyribonucleic: So that spot could be easier if you use solution 2
15:48 Doyak: Is it for the sake of giving an entire rest to players?
15:48 Nardoxyribonucleic: simply delete that note and you will get a 4/1 break lol
15:48 Nardoxyribonucleic: yes
15:48 Doyak: But standard mappers don't do that lol
15:48 Doyak: why Taiko needs that?
15:49 Nardoxyribonucleic: It is because hitting every single circle needs a stroke
15:49 Nardoxyribonucleic: but std may have sliders
15:49 Nardoxyribonucleic: you can just hold it
15:49 Doyak: Well
15:49 Doyak: but still moving the cursor though
15:49 Doyak: which is already a hard job for beginners
15:50 Nardoxyribonucleic: But Taiko players need to deal with the colour-changing affairs
15:50 Nardoxyribonucleic: so rest moments are important for both their eyes and hands
15:50 Doyak: Hmm yeah
15:51 Doyak: but does that like 1 rest on the entire map really helps that much?
15:51 Nardoxyribonucleic: Every break counts
15:51 Nardoxyribonucleic: Right after hitting certain pattern chain, a rest could boost accuracy of the subsequent chain
15:52 Doyak: Hmmmmm alright
15:52 Nardoxyribonucleic: so for Kantan, 00:36:321 (69) - and 00:47:957 (90) - could just be deleted
15:52 Doyak: Then I go with the solution 2
15:52 Nardoxyribonucleic: Good.
15:53 *Nardoxyribonucleic is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/999018 3R2 - Brawl Breaks [Kantan]]
15:54 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:04:503 (6) - 00:10:321 (14) - these two notes are less essential than the remaining ones, so they could be removed as well
15:54 Nardoxyribonucleic: this is to stop the endless 2/1 pattern structure to make the map less monotonous
15:55 Doyak: Yeah, I agree
15:56 Doyak: anyway, did the solution 2 for Futsuu as well
15:56 Nardoxyribonucleic: Now it's the time to deal with the continuity of the kiai in Kantan...
15:57 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:23:049 (41,42) - kinda pleasant enough to remove these two notes
15:58 Doyak: okay
15:58 Doyak: but the tension there is high, is it good to remove them?
15:58 Nardoxyribonucleic: In general, we need a 4/1 break every 10-15 seconds of pattern in Kantan
15:59 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:24:140 - the music repeats, so it is a good place to put a break
16:00 Doyak: Okay, got it, fixed
16:00 Nardoxyribonucleic: So up till now Kantan has enough 4/1 rest moments...
16:00 Nardoxyribonucleic: Let's move to Futsuu.
16:01 Doyak: Yeah this troublesome Futsuu
16:01 Doyak: Why is spreading on Taiko so hard lol
16:02 Nardoxyribonucleic: From 00:00:867 - 00:12:503 - the pattern arrangement may be a bit tricky for Futsuu players since the density keeps low->high->low-> ...
16:02 Doyak: On standard, we could just add more difficulties if 4 or 5 is not enough, and use different kinds of difficulty names
16:02 Doyak: hmm
16:02 Doyak: than any good suggestions?
16:03 Doyak: 00:02:140 - delete these notes?
16:03 Nardoxyribonucleic: seems good
16:03 Doyak: 00:02:140 - 00:03:594 - and such
16:04 Doyak: Did that
16:06 Nardoxyribonucleic: I would suggest quite a number of 1/2 note deletions in the whole difficulty
16:06 Doyak: I'm thinking of that
16:06 Nardoxyribonucleic: Let's start from the kiai part
16:06 Doyak: hope it doesn't create weird 3/2 gaps
16:06 Doyak: so that the SR gets up to like 2.7
16:08 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:23:594 (67,68) - delete, for the spread of Kantan (the newly made 4/1 break)
16:08 Doyak: good idea, fixed
16:10 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:18:140 (48) - and 00:29:776 (90) - delete as these parts look nearly as dense as Muzukashii
16:10 Doyak: Yup, fixed
16:11 Doyak: I thought it would be werid to represent only some of them, but I have no choice if I should reduce the number of notes
16:11 Nardoxyribonucleic: Yes, ignore some of the beats when necessary. This is how the spread of lower difficulties works
16:12 Nardoxyribonucleic: since you need to keep a contrast with adjacent harder/lower diff
16:13 Doyak: Yeah, I got it
16:14 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:36:140 (109,110) - delete, 00:36:685 (111) - move to 00:36:503 - and change 00:36:867 (112) - to k
16:14 Nardoxyribonucleic: which is the similar operation like Muzukashii
16:15 Doyak: Already did those
16:16 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:38:867 (119) - 00:40:321 (125) - 00:41:412 (130) - delete ? Currently the consecutive 1/2 patterns are rather hard for Futsuu
16:17 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:44:685 (137) - ^
16:18 Nardoxyribonucleic: the same goes for the part starting from 00:47:412 -
16:18 Doyak: Deleted all of them
16:19 Doyak: Ok all these only decreased SR by 0.02, SR sucks
16:19 Nardoxyribonucleic: The algorithm definitely needs some improvement
16:20 Doyak: I can make similar SR without any 1/2s, with half amount of notes tbh
16:21 Nardoxyribonucleic: You may now update it first, I need to evaluate Kantan-Muzukashii spread again.
16:22 Doyak: Updated~
16:23 *Nardoxyribonucleic is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/999018 3R2 - Brawl Breaks [Kantan]]
16:24 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:12:867 (17) - delete, and then 00:13:230 (18) - and 00:14:685 (21) - change to k ? Currently k k D k d in 1/1 is very demanding for Kantan
16:25 Nardoxyribonucleic: We should use 1/1 notes in Kantan up to 5 in a row, but breaks should be placed near such a long pattern
16:25 Doyak: hmm alright
16:25 Nardoxyribonucleic: and a big note mixing in betwenn the five 1/1 notes is just too hard
16:25 Doyak: then delete 00:17:958 - as well?
16:25 Nardoxyribonucleic: so we need to simplify it
16:26 Nardoxyribonucleic: yeah
16:26 Doyak: what about 00:18:685 - 00:19:049 - these?
16:27 Doyak: To follow the first part 00:18:685 - should be deleted and change 00:19:049 - to k
16:27 Nardoxyribonucleic: yes, to keep consistent with the first modified pattern
16:27 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:20:503 (32) - k too
16:27 Nardoxyribonucleic: which fits the increased pitch of music
16:28 Doyak: Did all
16:28 Nardoxyribonucleic: just apply that throughout the kiai
16:28 Nardoxyribonucleic: Yep
16:28 Doyak: now less than 100 notes
16:29 Nardoxyribonucleic: Still looks fine as the song is just 1-minute long
16:29 Doyak: Shall I update it again?
16:30 Doyak: well updated anyway
16:31 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:40:503 (66) - move to 00:41:230 - to follow the density in Futsuu?
16:32 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:52:139 (86) - same as ^
16:32 Doyak: hmm
16:33 Doyak: but wouldn't it be better to give some time to read that 3/2?
16:33 Doyak: both works in this diff anyway
16:33 Nardoxyribonucleic: but considering that there are two 1/1 quadruplets in a row...
16:34 Nardoxyribonucleic: dkdk and kdkk
16:35 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:40:867 (66,67,68,69) -
http://puu.sh/pnufN.jpg all monotone, so it would still be acceptable
16:35 Doyak: Hmm okay
16:36 Nardoxyribonucleic: Remember to do the same thing for the subsequent part :3
16:36 Doyak: Yeah fixed both
16:37 Nardoxyribonucleic: By these changes Kantan looks more ready
16:37 Doyak: updated
16:38 Doyak: btw you're making this mapset being 'ready' lol... I haven't gotten any other mods so far
16:38 Nardoxyribonucleic: About general HP OD settings, use HP7 for Muzukashii?
16:38 Doyak: Gezo suggested me 7.5 on a longer Muzukashii than this before lol
16:39 Doyak: 7 is better?
16:39 Nardoxyribonucleic: But the patterns and number of notes suits 7
16:39 Nardoxyribonucleic: yeah.
16:39 Doyak: Actually does that make that significant difference lol
16:40 Doyak: like it could handle like 2 more misses?
16:40 Nardoxyribonucleic: Slightly, but at least it is lower than Oni
16:40 Nardoxyribonucleic: yeah
16:40 Nardoxyribonucleic: the 3/4 snaps in the first session are actually tricky
16:40 Nardoxyribonucleic: in Muzukashii
16:40 Nardoxyribonucleic: So I think 7 would be enough
16:41 Doyak: okay
16:41 Doyak: btw, can I ask you how to read your username?
16:42 Nardoxyribonucleic: Nar-do-xy-ri-bo-nu-cle-ic, or Nardo in short
16:42 Doyak: lol okay
16:46 Nardoxyribonucleic: Now let's move on to Oni
16:46 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:35:776 (224) - 00:47:412 (299) - add finish ? They are not bounded to any 1/4 notes
16:47 Doyak: Sure, fixed
16:48 Nardoxyribonucleic: Btw is this your first try in mapping Taiko sets?
16:48 Doyak: Actually 3rd Taiko mapset
16:48 Doyak: and 2nd rank try
16:48 Doyak: the first one is starred by Gezo, and is waiting for recheck
16:50 Nardoxyribonucleic: I see. You have quite the potential seeing that you have good consistency in arranging patterns
16:50 Doyak: Well I guess it's from standard mapping skill... thanks
16:55 Nardoxyribonucleic: I think that's all from my side at the moment. :3
16:56 Nardoxyribonucleic: You may find one or two more mods before asking me for a recheck
16:56 Doyak: Thanks a lot for helping~!
