1. Deliverance (6.87 stars, 1699 notes)

Back To The Old School


by Kirishima-
by KaedeharaKazuha


#10

C00L wrote:

Collab with Cooldue7
(I mapped evens he mapped odds, Old memexd)

HighTec wrote:

from my stack queue

00:16:142 (7,3) -
00:23:247 (5,7) -
00:24:352 (1,3) - (its not overlapping perfectly lollll)
00:25:931 (1,5) - as it is inconsistent with the other overlaps
00:27:984 (3,1) -
00:53:405 (1,1) -
01:05:247 (2,1) -
01:45:037 (3,1) - just pointing out that i hate this pixel overlap x)
01:46:773 (1,1) -
02:09:960 (1,2) -
02:10:578 (1,2) -
02:24:238 (2,1) -
02:46:297 (2,2) -
03:05:709 (1,2) -
03:18:209 (7,2) -
03:56:297 (2,1) -

remind that if you change stacks others might become off as well so adjust them accordingly
gl!

neonat wrote:

Deliverance

00:08:563 (5,6,7) - move 00:08:642 (6,7) 1/4 later to be at 00:08:721 and 00:08:800 - fits the music there, and also the triplet would not be so isolated, and seem out of place aaa, done !
00:12:352 (1,2) - odd place to put 00:12:510 (2) - especially since you spaced them out more for 00:10:773 (1,2) and 00:11:721 (3,4) - 00:12:510 (2) is also behind the path of the slider, which affects movement. Why is it so much faster than the normal sv as well? Doesn't seem that impactful and that different from the music around it. the logic behind the placement was because of the high sv, it was so different therefore placing the spacing same as the other sldiers just woudn't work, and the change in sv is there since the intensity of the sound raises on the slider and i wanted to show that. I did however increase the spacing, since you were right about them being so close, no matter that the sv changed so drastically
00:14:721 (3,1) - could give slightly more room between them done
00:31:300 (8,9,1) - I think a neater flow here would be nicer, with the sliders moving directly to each other, polishing it up. Something like: oo done

SPOILER

00:37:931 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the spacing of this seems like it was taken up by 00:35:405 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - like a flip of each other. Except that it is at 00:37:931 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - that is the peak of the music in that section, and while 00:35:405 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - is also starting to rise up, the increasing spacing should not trump over 00:37:931 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) yea i was sure i done this wrong and it woudn't work, since i thought that just leaving highspacing on (5) would fix it but it didnt xd, i remapped this section accordingly making spacing gradually increase
00:40:458 (1,2,3) - straighten the section out? 00:40:931 (2) - higher than the previous slider while going straight and 00:41:089 (3) - placed lower than the slider, the direction is kinda shaky: sure sure

SPOILER

do take care of 00:41:247 (4,5,6,1) - position as well, could possibly work better more to the left ugh i see no difference but i changed it anyway, for more emphasis on spacing xd
00:45:352 (3,1) - more sapcing between them? Emphasize that beat on 00:45:510 done
00:46:458 (1,2,3,4) - why extended sliders? The 1/2 sliders worked fine before this, there is no change in the rhythm in the music i don't like repeating patterns too much, so see if i used one pattern in a measure of the music, ill use something different on the other and then back to the original , to avoid repetition. I find it boring hitting the same pattern over and over again
00:48:826 (2,4,6) - tilt more to the right rather than downwards? Will not leave 00:49:458 (5) in an odd position where the subsequent circle is below its path when it's curved upwards yes xd
00:49:931 (1,2,3,4) - neater pattern? yea lets clean up
01:19:300 (2) - NC? yea
02:06:274 (1) - keep its combo colour different from 02:06:899 (4,5) yea true
02:19:823 (3) - x:4 y:104? :)
02:25:709 (2) - at most it ends at 02:25:856 - ? all of similar and this slider follows the rigning sounds rather than the beat on the red tic
02:27:988 (4) - nothing really in the music here there is the 1/4 sounds are still there :p
02:31:664 (2) - I'd say remove, there isn't anything there, and the triplet to slider gives a more distinct rhythm to the song, also more emphasis to it when it goes into that long slider, also others like 02:24:606 (5) - which are similar to it. In the kiai before and after this one i prioritize the 1/4 sounds over those boomy sounds more, since it adds a bit more tension into the map and since the whole map is based around 1/4 sliders and quick movent removing all of those notes will just add more jumpiness to the map and make it hella boring to play overall imo, also doing that would be hella inconsistent again because the map is based around 1/4's beats
03:33:209 (6,7,8) - this is really low spacing though for the whole section i went for 1.6x so increasing this is meh imo
03:42:179 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - could have some increasing spacing here already yea i agree
03:54:826 (1,2,1) - have slider 2 on the right of the first slider, and not so extremely left to 03:55:120 (1) - like right now, the slider path is in the same direction from where you came from, have the direction change less extremely, could be something like: sorry but no, i'm not a big fan of that flow you showed there and i think the current status is very good and i like it and it emphasises well and flows well so i don't want to change it :p

SPOILER

03:58:356 (1,2,3,4,5) - the rhythm here is more like: not neccessarly 03:58:797 (3) - there is a beat on this one its like a wiggly sound thats on (2) as well, and also the repeat slider fits much better imo than the 1/2 slider

SPOILER

the main points in the song is 03:58:356 - 03:58:650 - 03:58:870 - 03:58:944 and 03:59:164
04:17:914 (5) - the beat at 04:17:988 is stronger though; it follows the melody line
04:25:120 (1,1) - blanket?
stuff like 04:25:414 (1,2,3,4,5) - could polish things up movement and visual-wise. Note stuff like 04:28:061 (2,3,4,5,6,1) - and see if you can make them interact with each other better personally i don't think they look bad at all, so i'm kinda stugling here aa, i did mess around with some of those patterns hopefull i got it xd
04:40:414 (2,3,4) - spacing between them more constant please, they look sloppy at the moment done
04:50:194 (1) - why not focus on the beat at 04:51:003 instead? Its a clear landmark in the song, currently its overlooked oh my how did i miss that xdddd, fixed !
04:52:179 (2,3,1) - 04:54:679 (5,1) - do something different from the rest to emphasize the 2 strong beats at places like 04:52:326 and 04:52:473 - ? yea good shout, done!

Could work on the overall tidiness of the map; the slider shapes, the spacing, the patterns used. I think there is more that you can do to match up more uniquely to the song, like those triplets and other rhythm parts. will do, ill take some closer looks at stuff, going through the map again after some time i did actually change some stuff myself like flow wise and emphasis wise that i didnt even realise how badly i done back then. So i think im on a good path :p

Good Luck

gottagof4ast wrote:

M4M from your queue

Deliverance

00:01:615 (2) - maybe stack this on top of 00:01:931 (4) right so that's something that i use all the way across the map, therefore doing it here would make it inconsistent, it's what i like to call "Semi-Stacks" little overlaps that meet the outside circle with the number with the other one. There is nothnig wrong with overlaps too, if they are not distracting during gameplay there is literally no reason to change them or make them more clearer. This goes for all similar stacking points, unless you mention something different

00:23:721 (1,2) - I don't see why the gap between these should be smaller if you listen closely the music is slowly building up with intense sounds across the map, during that section bookmark to the next the spacing gradually increases to match that background noise ^^

00:29:010 (3,1) - stack this more oops fixed

00:31:615 (1,3) - Overlap again there is nothing wrong with overlaps, they are just a overrated thing that doesnt matter as much ^^

00:41:721 (1,3) - I wouln't stack 1 and 3 there, it seems weird to leave a perfect stack to go to a jump and then go bakc to it fair enough changed

00:48:037 (1,3) - You fully overlapping it most of the time so I would also do it here to distuinshuish the different sounds across the board , although i did change 00:42:668 (5,6) - since i realised that was inconsistent owo

00:54:037 (1,3) - Overlap

01:15:510 (1,2,1) - I would space these evenly that would ruin the intensity if i spaced it evenly, keeping it that way adds a very strong emphasis jump on 01:15:826 (1) -

01:20:721 (4) - Why give this equal spacing to the next slider if the timing between the notes isn't the same idk owo

01:23:010 (2) - Put this circle in the same line as 01:22:773 (1) so you don't need to go up to hit the circle then down for the sldierhead and then back up again to follow it o interesting

01:33:984 (3,3) - stack these

01:34:773 (1,3) - stack this on the sliderend

01:35:405 (1,1) - overlap

01:40:773 (1,2) - maybe stack these?

01:54:352 (2,1) - Intersecting sliders (some like them, I would change it)

01:56:879 (3,1) - Stack

02:19:677 (2,2) - Looks alot nicer if you stack the note on the sliderend

02:20:116 (1,1) - looks nicer if you stack it on the sliderhead

02:32:326 (3,4) - Overlap

02:33:650 (3,5) - ugly overlap

02:50:561 (3,1) - Stack

03:04:826 (2) - reflect the timing of this note in the sapcing what do you mean by this?

03:08:944 (1,1) - Overlap

03:28:650 (3,2) - Since you stacked 03:28:356 (1,2), I would also stack 03:28:650 (3,2)

I would choose to use 90% overlap or fully overlap during this entire section and not use them both mixed. meh, again if it doesnt affect gameplay as much then that doesnt really change anything :p

03:53:061 (1,2,3) - I would space them like this https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/L7XeHkR.png not a big fan of that since the angles there dont really flow well imo, and simlar patterns to this always have some sort of circular motion to it, this one doesnt really and it would be very inconsistent

04:01:885 (1,3) - stack sliderend and sliderhead

04:07:620 (6,2) - Overlap

04:28:356 (4,6) - stack

Since this kind of map is really not my style its maybe not that great, so if you find this one too bad for an M4M just ignore my post in the queue

Nostalgic wrote:

o/ m4m from your q

1. In general it's a cool map yet I believe this map will be as clean and fun as dynamite or any other byfar-esque maps if some sections are executed better, i.e. the spacing of those 1/4 sliders and sv :o im going through the map sometimes just buffing things here and there that i dont agree with now, you know i mapped this a couple months back now so i do see things differently, but point out specifically what you would liked changed i would appriciate that so much ;w;
2. Disable widescreen support and countdown o shit, chonged the countdown, but keeping widescreen since 1920x1080
3. 00:59:721 (5) - nc here to let players notice the ds change aight
4. 01:03:194 (1,1) - why different sv? you didn't do this in the later iterations I did , 01:06:037 (2) - here for example or 01:08:563 (2) - here, it was just the beginning of the kiai i didn since if you listen closely the sounds here 01:00:668 (1,2) - dont really change as much, but comparing those to 01:03:194 (1,2) - this time around the (2) has a sort of dying out sound which i wanted to underline by changing the sv , all the other instances are the same
5. Compare 01:53:089 (1,1) - to 01:55:615 (1,2) - their sv are surely confusing here ok so 01:53:089 (1,1) - this has a stronger vocal on the second slider therefore i increased its speed, and the second pattern doesnt have vocals and the 2nd slider seems to be dying out rather than being more stronger
6. 01:46:063 (2) - it doesn't play really well for me i want to keep it for very strong emphasis, and i use it again somewhere else so it does make sense keeping it there sorry ;w
7. 02:05:044 (1,3) - blanket? that would not work at all since it would create weird flow to the next slider here 02:05:659 (4) - and since that is blanketed already i dont see any point in doing so
8. 02:19:677 (2,3) - the spacing here is just too much its higher to emphasise the higher pitch in the vocals
9. 02:52:473 (1,2) - when i testplayed i thought this was a 1/2 snapping. There are a lot more cases like this. The spacing really confuses me as 1/2 and 1/4 jumps look exactly the same. Not gonna point out every single one but most of the tome I can't really tell whether they are 1/2 or 1/4 aaa mb i wanted to keep combo counts at 1/4 spacing the same as other patterns and new combos if possible at other instances to make that stand out. I done a horrible job at that sorry xd ill fix that
10. 03:30:856 (6) - it doesn't flow well. consider something like 32, 346? i dont like the flow you suggested it goes bad into 03:31:003 (1) - aa, i did some adjustements maybe it flows a bit better idk
11. 03:38:356 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6) - I'd expect a descending sv and spacing hered
12. 04:50:194 (1) - not really a fan of the spinner cuz you skipped a lot of sounds you are following yea but i like that unique whoosh sound and it also leads into the next section pretty nicely

GL

• 00:00:352 (2) - Avoid overlap here just to emphasize it
  
  00:06:352 (1) - ^
  
  00:00:984 (5) - This is a important sound i would recommend you to increase DS between these 00:00:826 (4,5) so player can feel the emphasize on that sound
  
  00:02:879 (2) - ^ I don t understand why is DS higher between these 00:02:879 (2,3) - when 00:03:037 (3) - isn't a important sound and no reason to put bigger jump
  
  00:20:089 (2) - This is really hard to read don t overlap it
  
  00:25:300 (1) - Why you put repeat slider here when you mapped these places with either 1/4 sliders or 2/4 sliders
  
  00:27:984 (3,4) - You should but bigger DS between them or drastically change the direction just like you did with the ones before and after for the emphasize when you play this part you feel nothing when clicking that sound like its just a regular part no emphasize
  
  00:27:194 (7,2) - These should be NC since you putted NC on every change of slider velocity
  
  00:28:773 (2) - ^
  
  00:29:405 (2) - ^
  
  00:32:089 (3) - This is very confusing cause you don t have overlaps in previous and then sudently you make overlap here no reason for that you just ruin the consistency
  
  00:37:458 (5) - This is over mapped i think you should put a slider here 00:37:300 (4) - and remove the circle
  
  00:38:247 (3,4) - Idk why you stacked them and made a huge jump on these 00:38:879 (3,4) - its the same sound i would recommend you to remove stack and just make a normal jump
  
  00:39:510 (5) - Put NC on it and change the direction of the stream or increase DS cause the music on this part gets intense and just a regular stream tho is not that good for that part I think its under mapped
  
  00:39:826 (1,2,3) - You should make bigger jumps here
  
  00:41:247 (4) - Don't stack this one with 00:41:405 (1,2,1) - cause new sound starts on 00:41:405 (1)
  
  00:44:879 (1) - Why you put NC here and you didn't put NC on exactly the same sounds here 00:42:352 (4) , 00:47:405 (5)
  
  01:00:194 (2,1) - Blanket them maybe
  
  01:18:352 (1,2,3,4,1) - Increase DS between them by little on every slider just to follow up the music and its intense
  
  01:32:879 (1,2) - Weird overlap
  
  01:33:984 (3,3) - Stack them
  
  01:47:247 (3,3) - ^
  
  01:53:721 (1,1) - ^
  
  01:35:642 (2,1) - Idk why u overlapped them it ruined the consistency
  
  01:48:352 (1,5) - Again weird overlap you can stack them would look better
  
  01:58:773 (2) - NC
  
  03:10:709 (4) - Slider end on important sound it feels really bad and it looks really bad you changed the flow of the map drastically here so put a circle on that important sound don't make a repeat slider really low emphasize
  
  03:33:209 (6,7) - You can stack them
  
  04:04:091 (3,2) - ^
  
  04:01:297 (1,3) - Make a nice blanket
  
  04:01:885 (1,3) - And you could stack slider end with slider head and also blanket 04:01:591 (3,1)
  
  04:05:709 (4,1,2) - Polish this blanket it doesn't look nice
  
  04:09:826 (4) - Stack this one on the end of the 04:09:238 (2)

Invertable wrote:

M4M from your queue i know that 25h passed since i posted placeholder so what wa

Deliverence

I think Od 8.4 is a little bit too low for a 6.09* map buff it up a lil ugh i already buffed it from OD 8, and since not all 6* maps are the same the OD doesnt have to be either, and since this is a slider heavy map making it higher would just make it more difficult to play aa

• 00:00:352 (2) - Avoid overlap here just to emphasize it
  
  00:06:352 (1) - ^ those 2 are to show that there is a different snapping between them, so like here it's 1/4 difference so the spacing is smaller and overlapped, but here 00:07:615 (1,2) - for example it's spaced out more to show that its 1/2 spacing here. There are some exceptions like here for example 00:04:458 (1,2,3) - but there was vocals here for example and the pattern is easily recognisable as a 1/4 anyway xd
  
  00:00:984 (5) - This is a important sound i would recommend you to increase DS between these 00:00:826 (4,5) so player can feel the emphasize on that sound oops xd
  
  00:02:879 (2) - ^ I don t understand why is DS higher between these 00:02:879 (2,3) - when 00:03:037 (3) - isn't a important sound and no reason to put bigger jump fair enough nerfed
  
  00:20:089 (2) - This is really hard to read don t overlap it its not , this is perfectly readable because of the high AR, if you turn on the animations in the editor youll see that theres no issue to see it , it only looks clustered because of the editor and very high note disappear time
  
  00:25:300 (1) - Why you put repeat slider here when you mapped these places with either 1/4 sliders or 2/4 sliders That is because this slider sets start to a newer part of the music, until that point the previous patterns you were talking about were all 1/4 (2/4 doesnt really sound well, i suggest you using 1/2 but i didnt use that anywhere in those sounds ) and hence i put down a new pattern too to represent that change in the music, also i hate repeating patterns since that way a map gets ultra boring, so i implement new things but still keeping the same rhythm
  
  00:27:984 (3,4) - You should but bigger DS between them or drastically change the direction just like you did with the ones before and after for the emphasize when you play this part you feel nothing when clicking that sound like its just a regular part no emphasize done owo
  
  00:27:194 (7,2) - These should be NC since you putted NC on every change of slider velocity i dont NC every sv change, i put down NC's to the music since NC'ing every sv change with my style would literally be max 3 combo count xd
  
  00:28:773 (2) - ^
  
  00:29:405 (2) - ^
  
  00:32:089 (3) - This is very confusing cause you don t have overlaps in previous and then sudently you make overlap here no reason for that you just ruin the consistency tbh overlaps are just overrated, they dont account for anything zz, and gameplay wise this doesnt change a lot anyway so meh
  
  00:37:458 (5) - This is over mapped i think you should put a slider here 00:37:300 (4) - and remove the circle circles placed here are accounting for the increase in the background music that is clearly heard here 00:38:563 (1,2,3,4) - which is gradually increasing in spacing. also its not overmapped dw
  
  00:38:247 (3,4) - Idk why you stacked them and made a huge jump on these 00:38:879 (3,4) - its the same sound i would recommend you to remove stack and just make a normal jump sure more pp xd
  
  00:39:510 (5) - Put NC on it and change the direction of the stream or increase DS cause the music on this part gets intense and just a regular stream tho is not that good for that part I think its under mapped sik idea done both
  
  00:39:826 (1,2,3) - You should make bigger jumps here nah the section isnt as intense its mostly dying sounds and vocals, making it bigger woudnt fit tbh
  
  00:41:247 (4) - Don't stack this one with 00:41:405 (1,2,1) - cause new sound starts on 00:41:405 (1) meh maybe ill change it later idk, since so far i like to emphasise the stronger sound here 00:41:879 (2) - which i wanted to change the section with
  
  00:44:879 (1) - Why you put NC here and you didn't put NC on exactly the same sounds here 00:42:352 (4) , 00:47:405 (5) oops mb
  
  01:00:194 (2,1) - Blanket them maybe nah that would look too simlar to sliders that were used in rhythms like 1/4 or 1/2, this shows a clear difference and it makes it easy to distuinguish
  
  01:18:352 (1,2,3,4,1) - Increase DS between them by little on every slider just to follow up the music and its intense i didnt do it on every slider but last 2 xd
  
  01:32:879 (1,2) - Weird overlap overlaps mean nothing if they dont affect the gameplay ;w;
  
  01:33:984 (3,3) - Stack them
  
  01:47:247 (3,3) - ^
  
  01:53:721 (1,1) - ^ the map is based around semi overlaps like that doe, stacking would make it hella inconsistent
  
  01:35:642 (2,1) - Idk why u overlapped them it ruined the consistency rearanged a little
  
  01:48:352 (1,5) - Again weird overlap you can stack them would look better doesnt make a difference aa
  
  01:58:773 (2) - NC nono the music didnt change here, no need for a nc
  
  03:10:709 (4) - Slider end on important sound it feels really bad and it looks really bad you changed the flow of the map drastically here so put a circle on that important sound don't make a repeat slider really low emphasize the important sound you are talking about is nothing compared to the beginning of the repeat slider or 03:11:150 (5) - , therefore leaving it like that is fine since nothing obsurd is missed out, besides that builds a bit of intensity
  
  03:33:209 (6,7) - You can stack them
  
  04:04:091 (3,2) - ^
  
  04:01:297 (1,3) - Make a nice blanket
  
  04:01:885 (1,3) - And you could stack slider end with slider head and also blanket 04:01:591 (3,1)
  
  04:05:709 (4,1,2) - Polish this blanket it doesn't look nice
  
  04:09:826 (4) - Stack this one on the end of the 04:09:238 (2) all of these points above dont really matter so i didnt cahnge ;w;

Ok this map is just amazing the music is amazing really hoping to see this ranked one day thanks man

I hope this mod was helpful and GL with the map ! yea indeed you did a very good job at this

My shit map

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/480481