2017-10-30 20:15 NeonLights: ok i'm alive
2017-10-30 20:16 Californian: re:vive
2017-10-30 20:16 Californian: okay time to mod in the middle of dinner
2017-10-30 20:17 Californian: 00:02:138 (3,4) - im kinda iffy about the slidertail being the piano and making a semi-awkward jump in doing so
2017-10-30 20:19 Californian: maybe you can shorten the tail to be at the white tick and move a few notes around
2017-10-30 20:19 NeonLights: considering it's the start i think keeping the same pattern is ok
2017-10-30 20:19 NeonLights: if it were after this I would change it
2017-10-30 20:20 Californian: hmm, the start in a way is a new section and its the only time the piano does this before the other section
2017-10-30 20:20 Californian: well, your call
2017-10-30 20:20 Californian: I was thinking something like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9435420
2017-10-30 20:20 NeonLights: It only happens once and I would rather keep the pattern the same for predictability, since it only happens once
2017-10-30 20:20 Californian: theres nothing to predict since its just the first two seconds though
2017-10-30 20:21 Californian: but alright
2017-10-30 20:21 NeonLights: keep it the same then so they won't get bamboozled
2017-10-30 20:21 Californian: suppose so
2017-10-30 20:22 Californian: 00:16:576 (1,2) - the drums kinda seem out of place in this part of the song but im not sure why you chose to ignore it
2017-10-30 20:22 Californian: if youre gonna say predictability ill brush it off
2017-10-30 20:23 NeonLights: good catch
2017-10-30 20:24 NeonLights: I'll make that into a double
2017-10-30 20:24 Californian: 00:19:107 (5) - this seems to be a ghost note, I guess the triple before that is justified because you can represent the dissapearence of the piano
2017-10-30 20:25 NeonLights: fixed that ghost note good catch
2017-10-30 20:26 Californian: 00:21:451 (2,3,4,5,6) - another instance of a ghost note, mainly (3), the other four notes are fine
2017-10-30 20:26 Californian: I might be nazi modding this unintentionally
2017-10-30 20:27 Californian: well, if youre favoring patterning over the music in this one I guess its fine
2017-10-30 20:27 Californian: for that part anyway
2017-10-30 20:28 Californian: 00:24:076 - 00:27:076 - if ill be honest, im not really a fan of the 1/4's placed here
2017-10-30 20:29 Californian: I get that you want to make the map relatively exciting but it isnt really justified for being a soft part of the song
2017-10-30 20:29 NeonLights: the way that 00:21:451- sounds at 100%, it sounds like a note is there
2017-10-30 20:30 Californian: ohh yeah youre right
2017-10-30 20:30 Californian: its really soft though
2017-10-30 20:30 NeonLights: can you explain the 00:24:076- part
2017-10-30 20:32 Californian: in this part of the song I say its best to just stick with the accordion since its the most dominant in that short section of the song
2017-10-30 20:33 Californian: yes you can hear pretty soft drums in the background, but mapping those drums can ignore significance of the main melody
2017-10-30 20:33 NeonLights: following the accordian doesn't reflect the rise in intensity of the song
2017-10-30 20:33 Californian: okay how should I explain this
2017-10-30 20:34 NeonLights: I understand what you are trying to say, but you can still feel the flow of the accordian through the rhythm of the drums
2017-10-30 20:34 NeonLights: all the accordian notes have an object placed for it
2017-10-30 20:34 Californian: its not really that, I just feel like that part of the song would be better if theres less note density
2017-10-30 20:35 Californian: I remember reading a pretty strong quote on rlc's userpage once and it said to "map with the song, not against it"
2017-10-30 20:35 NeonLights: see the thing is that the drum becomes more and more prominent throughout the section
2017-10-30 20:36 Californian: yeah im aware of that, thats why I didnt cap the entire section
2017-10-30 20:36 NeonLights: and suddenly switching to mapping it because we can't ignore it is worse than just going with it through the entire thing
2017-10-30 20:36 NeonLights: and to me the piano gives the sense of urgency that pushes the song forward, while the accordian holds it back
2017-10-30 20:36 NeonLights: for me the driving force during this section is the piano, not the accordian
2017-10-30 20:37 Californian: interesting interpretation
2017-10-30 20:37 NeonLights: if you took it out, the accordian would sit back and let those notes hang out
2017-10-30 20:37 NeonLights: the accordian relies on the piano to keep the timing, so that it can focus on the embellishments
2017-10-30 20:38 Californian: my original point was me pointing out the drums
2017-10-30 20:38 Californian: okay maybe I should have worded my point alot better
2017-10-30 20:39 NeonLights: ripperoni
2017-10-30 20:39 Californian: the piano is pretty dominant in the background with the accordion but I tried to suggest that the soft drums should be neglected until later parts of the song/section
2017-10-30 20:42 Californian: well, thats what im taking from the map. remember, my comments are only criticism and nothing I say screams you have to change this
2017-10-30 20:42 Californian: a point I learned from ascendance is that if people call your maps bad, ignore them. but if they bring up valid and justified points, consider it but its up to you to apply it
2017-10-30 20:43 Californian: sorry for the semi-long debate so far
2017-10-30 20:43 NeonLights: ah ok i understand what you mean now
2017-10-30 20:44 NeonLights: i do agree with you on that point
2017-10-30 20:44 NeonLights: i removed a few 1/4ths
2017-10-30 20:45 NeonLights: just needed to clarify your point lol
2017-10-30 20:45 Californian: sorry again haha
2017-10-30 20:45 Californian: continuing
2017-10-30 20:45 Californian: 00:30:919 (7,8) - any justification for the large jump here?
2017-10-30 20:46 NeonLights: the snare
2017-10-30 20:46 NeonLights: but now that i look at it the ds isn't right
2017-10-30 20:47 Californian: ah, maybe just tone the distance/emphasis a bit then
2017-10-30 20:47 NeonLights: i did
2017-10-30 20:47 NeonLights: ty
2017-10-30 20:48 Californian: 00:35:138 (3,4,5) - you could make this a 5-note burst if you want to
2017-10-30 20:49 Californian: actually hmm, noticing that you left 00:35:607 too
2017-10-30 20:49 NeonLights: i left out 00:34:857 too oops
2017-10-30 20:50 NeonLights: i will leave out 00:35:607 since it's barely audible at 100%
2017-10-30 20:51 Californian: oh, I was pointing out 00:35:607 because of the accordion note
2017-10-30 20:52 Californian: remind me to place a - everytime I do a timestamp because being unable to click them is ugly
2017-10-30 20:52 NeonLights: same
2017-10-30 20:52 NeonLights: oh for some reason i thought 35 was 36
2017-10-30 20:52 NeonLights: 36:357 gg me
2017-10-30 20:52 Californian: gg
2017-10-30 20:53 NeonLights: for drum rhythm emphasis, left out 00:35:607 -
2017-10-30 20:53 Californian: ah
2017-10-30 20:53 NeonLights: also doesn't feel good with an extra not
2017-10-30 20:53 NeonLights: e
2017-10-30 20:53 NeonLights: :regional_indicator_e:
2017-10-30 20:53 Californian: :regional_indicator_e:
2017-10-30 20:54 Californian: 00:37:013 (4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - you could make this more slider based and 00:38:232 (7,8,1,2,3,4,5) - jumpy to represent the notes of the accordion
2017-10-30 20:54 Californian: kinda of a hassle to remap though :x
2017-10-30 20:55 NeonLights: what do you mean
2017-10-30 20:56 Californian: nevermind, I forget that youre a lot faster than me when it comes to mapping
2017-10-30 20:56 Californian: 00:43:857 - 00:43:904 - 00:43:951 - this part seems to be a 1/8 burst in the melody
2017-10-30 20:57 Californian: you can throw in a reverse slider to counteract it or something
2017-10-30 20:57 Californian: you could ignore this either to simplify gameplay more 
2017-10-30 20:58 Californian: 00:44:326 (5) - nc?
2017-10-30 20:58 NeonLights: changed to a reverse slider
2017-10-30 20:58 NeonLights: nc'd
2017-10-30 20:59 Californian: I cant really mod the next section because I suck at standard so ill just say keep aesthetics a little more polished and keep the gameplay up
2017-10-30 20:59 Californian: though I will say that putting the preview point at 00:47:701 - would be pretty cool
2017-10-30 21:00 NeonLights: i like that
2017-10-30 21:01 NeonLights: i have to say i'm really happy with aesthetics during sv section
2017-10-30 21:01 Californian: alright, just keep consistency in mind
2017-10-30 21:02 Californian: actually I take it back literally the violins are all over the place
2017-10-30 21:03 Californian: only comment I will say is that maybe you can make 00:53:794 (1) - this slider the same as 00:53:513 (1) - except scaled down a bit to fit sv
2017-10-30 21:03 Californian: since both violins in that part are relatively strong
2017-10-30 21:04 Californian: 01:09:076 (1) - you could vary this slider a little besides just straight to represent the finish better
2017-10-30 21:04 NeonLights: straight slider maintains intensity while indicating that violin is slowly scaling down scale
2017-10-30 21:04 NeonLights: good idea
2017-10-30 21:05 Californian: it makes sense, but both violins are still strong even when the melody was slightly dropping
2017-10-30 21:05 NeonLights: I might leave it straight since it's an often sliderend to miss
2017-10-30 21:06 NeonLights: any variation in direction might make it worse
2017-10-30 21:06 NeonLights: but i will keep it in consideration
2017-10-30 21:06 Californian: sounds good
2017-10-30 21:07 Californian: 01:11:326 (5) - maybe stack this at 01:10:513 (5) - instead of 01:10:388 (3) - 
2017-10-30 21:07 Californian: I get that you want to emphasize the buildup but moving it at (5) would support sharper angles better imo
2017-10-30 21:07 NeonLights: yeah we will go with that
2017-10-30 21:09 Californian: 01:14:326 (4) - consider moving this slider someplace else, throughout the jump spam its been constant angles except for this one showing repeatitive movement
2017-10-30 21:09 Californian: yeah it can show a new section but it might throw people off
2017-10-30 21:10 Californian: maybe something like this idk https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9435596
2017-10-30 21:11 NeonLights: chagned it up
2017-10-30 21:11 Californian: brb for a minute, wrapping up dinner
2017-10-30 21:11 NeonLights: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/4CVoLJI.jpg
2017-10-30 21:13 Californian: back
2017-10-30 21:15 NeonLights: oki
2017-10-30 21:16 Californian: 01:15:076 (3,1,1) - following the violins might be nicer but the emphasis on the strong notes make sense too
2017-10-30 21:17 Californian: 01:18:076 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - you have a pretty cool idea for this but maybe tilt the stream in further negative to match up with 01:19:013 (9,10,11) - better
2017-10-30 21:19 Californian: 01:19:576 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - please move this a bit more to the left
2017-10-30 21:19 Californian: I get that its a short pause in the song but the sudden jerk to the right is a bit unexpected
2017-10-30 21:19 Californian: and ds doesnt really help in this case either
2017-10-30 21:22 NeonLights: done
2017-10-30 21:22 NeonLights: minus violins thing
2017-10-30 21:22 Californian: good stuff
2017-10-30 21:23 Californian: 01:23:138 (1,2,3,4) - maybe move this slightly to the left too to avoid going too far from the playfield
2017-10-30 21:24 NeonLights: "full playscreen usage"
2017-10-30 21:25 Californian: hmm, just kind of iffy of that pattern being centered mostly at the far right
2017-10-30 21:25 Californian: just my two cents
2017-10-30 21:26 Californian: 01:27:076 (1,2,1) - something about this jump of irks me
2017-10-30 21:26 Californian: like going from (1) to (2) is perfectly fine
2017-10-30 21:26 Californian: but from (2) to the stream is weird
2017-10-30 21:26 Californian: sharp turn to slower movement quickly
2017-10-30 21:27 Californian: I dont know how to really explain it
2017-10-30 21:27 NeonLights: plays fine?
2017-10-30 21:27 Californian: I think -Mo- covered a video like that
2017-10-30 21:27 Californian: but like take this example  https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9435647
2017-10-30 21:28 Californian: the jumps would feel relatively fine
2017-10-30 21:28 Californian: maybe its the angle
2017-10-30 21:28 Californian: (just would like to say you have a cool as heck idea for the streams like that)
2017-10-30 21:28 NeonLights: changedc amngled
2017-10-30 21:29 Californian: 01:31:763 (1,2,3) - consider ctrl+h'ing this and stacking (1) where it originally was at
2017-10-30 21:30 Californian: the short pause is kind of weird but its a bit better than before
2017-10-30 21:30 Californian: complements the pattern after too imo
2017-10-30 21:31 Californian: do you have school tomorrow
2017-10-30 21:31 NeonLights: technically no but yes
2017-10-30 21:31 NeonLights: i would like to get to bed
2017-10-30 21:32 Californian: guess ill try to rush a bit
2017-10-30 21:32 Californian: or we could resume this tomorrow
2017-10-30 21:32 Californian: its only a little left
2017-10-30 21:32 NeonLights: the short pause lets you readjust aim so i'll leave it for aesthetics
2017-10-30 21:32 NeonLights: ok
2017-10-30 21:33 Californian: let me reword that
2017-10-30 21:33 Californian: the short pause is okay but the pattern after adjusting was off
2017-10-30 21:33 NeonLights: ?
2017-10-30 21:33 Californian: *the pattern before I suggested ctrl+h'ing
2017-10-30 21:34 Californian: anyway
2017-10-30 21:34 Californian: 01:34:388 (8) - you could empasize this a bit better
2017-10-30 21:34 Californian: make it a slider maybe? I cant really think of a clear solution to it
2017-10-30 21:34 NeonLights: the anti-flow emphasizes it pretty well i think?
2017-10-30 21:35 Californian: are you talking about the point before or the point now
2017-10-30 21:35 NeonLights: 01:34:388-
2017-10-30 21:35 Californian: oh
2017-10-30 21:35 Californian: yeah the antiflow is fine, its just I was suggesting representing (8) better melody wise
2017-10-30 21:36 NeonLights: oh
2017-10-30 21:36 NeonLights: want to keep drums as circles mostly
2017-10-30 21:36 Californian: hmm alright
2017-10-30 21:36 NeonLights: i'm being a little lazy in explaining what i mean there
2017-10-30 21:37 Californian: 01:38:513 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - lovely stream
2017-10-30 21:37 Californian: only suggestion I have with it is to move it slightly downwards more because of the short pause
2017-10-30 21:39 NeonLights: moved slightly down
2017-10-30 21:40 NeonLights: vroom am dying must sleep soon
2017-10-30 21:40 Californian: something came up a bit sorry 
2017-10-30 21:40 NeonLights: hopefully standard triple jump section is ok
2017-10-30 21:41 Californian: hmm
2017-10-30 21:41 Californian: honestly im kind of iffy of how widescreen'd it is
2017-10-30 21:41 Californian: I dont know how to exactly explain it
2017-10-30 21:41 Californian: plus you could vary the triples more by throwing kicksliders/reverses in or something
2017-10-30 21:42 Californian: guess ill leave that section up to you to decide to change since we gotta hurry
2017-10-30 21:42 NeonLights: truuuu remind me that later pls
2017-10-30 21:42 Californian: 01:49:951 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - could polish a tiny bit more but this section is god
2017-10-30 21:42 Californian: okay wow you went all out on this part
2017-10-30 21:42 Californian: and its glorious
2017-10-30 21:42 NeonLights: thank you to
2017-10-30 21:43 NeonLights: jonathanlfj
2017-10-30 21:43 Californian: demetori
2017-10-30 21:43 NeonLights: for that beautiful slider pattern
2017-10-30 21:43 Californian: did you took inspiration or did he suggest that
2017-10-30 21:43 NeonLights: took inspiration
2017-10-30 21:43 Californian: ah I see
2017-10-30 21:43 Californian: good stuff
2017-10-30 21:43 Californian: alright last part
2017-10-30 21:43 Californian: maybe you could end the song with just a note instead of a fast kickslider
2017-10-30 21:43 Californian: idk up to you
2017-10-30 21:43 NeonLights: i tried doing something similar and then i couldn't get aesthetic
2017-10-30 21:44 NeonLights: it's not really a single note though
2017-10-30 21:44 NeonLights: it has like a super long attack
2017-10-30 21:44 Californian: guess so
2017-10-30 21:44 Californian: maybe consider lowering the sv for that then
2017-10-30 21:44 NeonLights: atacc
2017-10-30 21:44 NeonLights: rip my 4x sv
2017-10-30 21:45 Californian: unlucky
2017-10-30 21:45 Californian: alright guess that concludes it
2017-10-30 21:45 NeonLights: so i assume you really like the second sv section
2017-10-30 21:46 Californian: I cant really mod it but it seems pretty justified with the note density
2017-10-30 21:46 NeonLights: yay
2017-10-30 21:46 Californian: it looks absolutely crazy too I like it
2017-10-30 21:46 NeonLights: it's my favorite thing i've mapped ever
2017-10-30 21:46 Californian: im happy that youre building up more and more reasons behind your mapping
2017-10-30 21:46 NeonLights: me too
2017-10-30 21:47 Californian: theres stuff to improve overall yeah but its a pretty big jump
2017-10-30 21:47 Californian: !!
2017-10-30 21:47 NeonLights: !!
2017-10-30 21:47 NeonLights: and then your gd too on this map woo
2017-10-30 21:47 NeonLights: excite
2017-10-30 21:47 Californian: im kinda tempted to ask if I could post this irrc for kudosu but that might be too greedy
2017-10-30 21:47 NeonLights: must bed now though good night thank you for mod place irc chat into thread for kudosu
2017-10-30 21:47 NeonLights: o
2017-10-30 21:47 Californian: o
2017-10-30 21:47 NeonLights: you helped me make changes so yes kudododuodusu for you
2017-10-30 21:48 Californian: ayyy