16:24 <DoKoLP> : o/
16:25 <Louis_Cyphre> : ?
16:25 <DoKoLP> : wanna ask for mod :3
16:25 <Louis_Cyphre> : ...
16:25 <DoKoLP> : q_q
16:25 <DoKoLP> : don't hurt me
16:26 <Louis_Cyphre> : you always ask for mod
16:26 <DoKoLP> : dafuq?
16:26 <DoKoLP> : i asked only once i guess
16:26 <Louis_Cyphre> : nope
16:26 <DoKoLP> : and never got a mod ._.
16:26 <Louis_Cyphre> : i'm really lazy to do mods
16:27 <DoKoLP> : so you decline? O:
16:27 <Louis_Cyphre> : HUH MAN, OF COURSE NO!!
16:31 <Louis_Cyphre> : but anyway
16:31 <Louis_Cyphre> : link me your map
16:31 <DoKoLP> : o0... um. alright
16:31 *DoKoLP is listening to (LEAF XCEED Music Division - YuYu Metal)[http://osu.ppy.sh/s/45528]
16:31 <Louis_Cyphre> : :O
16:31 <Louis_Cyphre> : LEAF XCEED
16:31 <DoKoLP> : :O
16:32 <DoKoLP> : bad?
16:32 <Louis_Cyphre> : it's good
16:32 <Louis_Cyphre> : because i have one ranked LEAF XCEED
16:32 <Louis_Cyphre> : Fur Elise
16:32 <DoKoLP> : yea i know
16:32 <DoKoLP> : that's how i come to that music
16:33 <Louis_Cyphre> : then ok, let's have mod4mod
16:33 <DoKoLP> : alright.
16:33 *Louis_Cyphre is listening to (Bring Me The Horizon - The Comedown)[http://osu.ppy.sh/s/44746]
16:33 <Louis_Cyphre> : App4App
16:33 <DoKoLP> :
16:33 <DoKoLP> : perfect
16:33 <Louis_Cyphre> : good
16:37 <Louis_Cyphre> : bad bg
16:37 <Louis_Cyphre> : her face is asdwefwefs
16:37 <Louis_Cyphre> : ..
16:38 <Louis_Cyphre> : you need good bg of Black rock shooter right?
16:38 <DoKoLP> : i just searched for a dark background with a guitar. lol
16:38 <Louis_Cyphre> : it's black rock shooter
16:38 <Louis_Cyphre> : wait
16:40 <Louis_Cyphre> :
http://konachan.com/post/show/127962/bl ... ord-weapon16:40 <DoKoLP> : i'd prefer a background with guitar D:
16:40 <Louis_Cyphre> : ok, sec
16:43 <Louis_Cyphre> :
http://konachan.com/post/show/111448/aq ... headphones16:43 <DoKoLP> : too bright :Q_
16:44 <DoKoLP> : why can't i just keep the bg as it is now? :b
16:44 <DoKoLP> : i guess it fits to the song pretty well
16:45 <Louis_Cyphre> : it's up to you, but her face is just stupid
16:45 <DoKoLP> : who cares face... tits is what real men are looking at :Q_
16:45 <DoKoLP> : okay...
16:45 <DoKoLP> : she doesn't have tits...
16:45 <DoKoLP> : nevermind
16:45 <Louis_Cyphre> : her tits are stupid too
16:46 <DoKoLP> : but that picture fits well with the song imo
16:46 <Louis_Cyphre> : black tock shooter with class metal?
16:46 <DoKoLP> : yea
16:48 <Louis_Cyphre> : btw
16:48 <Louis_Cyphre> : you were mapping background betas
16:48 <Louis_Cyphre> : beats*
16:48 <DoKoLP> : i know.
16:48 <Louis_Cyphre> : but actually according to main beats
16:48 <Louis_Cyphre> : map feels overmapped
16:49 <Louis_Cyphre> : 01:28:014 (2) - hidden slider end
16:50 <Louis_Cyphre> : 01:31:764 (1) - overlaps hp bar
16:50 <Louis_Cyphre> : 01:47:646 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) -
16:50 <Louis_Cyphre> : especially this part feel so overmapped
16:51 <Louis_Cyphre> : making double speed is really cool when background beats goes on half speed, but main beats goes
16:51 <Louis_Cyphre> : double faster
16:51 <Louis_Cyphre> : like here
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/4168616:51 <Louis_Cyphre> : fast, it feels so fast!
16:54 <Louis_Cyphre> : by the way, why you didn't include in tags these words: "Spider Stacy James Walbourne rtnario" ?
16:55 <DoKoLP> : cause i don't know what they have to do with the song D:
16:55 <DoKoLP> : i don't know anything about the song.
16:55 <Louis_Cyphre> : Spider Stacy and James Walbourne are composers of original
16:55 <DoKoLP> : and rtnario?
16:55 <Louis_Cyphre> : and rtnatio is one who remixed that
16:55 <Louis_Cyphre> : it is written in mp3 description
16:56 <DoKoLP> : oh. okay.
16:56 <Louis_Cyphre> : white color
16:57 <Louis_Cyphre> : and also, this map can't be approved without at least 1 break point
16:57 <Louis_Cyphre> : 3 minutes on constant 270 bpm 1/2 notes are way too much for even Cookiezi
16:58 <DoKoLP> : not at all o0
16:58 <Louis_Cyphre> : also let's do not forget that is game is not for only cookiezi
16:58 <Louis_Cyphre> : and your offset starts too early
16:58 <DoKoLP> : i gave that map to many people already
17:00 *DoKoLP is editing (Swan Lake Orchestra - Hakuchou no Mizuumi)[http://osu.ppy.sh/s/25922]
17:00 <DoKoLP> : this one doesn'T have a break as well
17:00 <Louis_Cyphre> : 1:42
17:00 <Louis_Cyphre> : total time
17:00 <Louis_Cyphre> : and look
17:01 <Louis_Cyphre> : 00:26:899 -
17:01 <Louis_Cyphre> : suddenly, a break!
17:01 <Louis_Cyphre> : 01:38:850 - also song actually end here 01:38:850 -
17:01 <DoKoLP> : 1 second
17:01 <DoKoLP> : lol
17:01 <Louis_Cyphre> : but it's still a break
17:02 <DoKoLP> : ..
17:02 <DoKoLP> : you can'T recover in 1 second
17:02 <Louis_Cyphre> : 01:40:568 here for you 2 seconds
17:02 <Louis_Cyphre> : and this song has lower bpm then yours
17:02 <Louis_Cyphre> : it's shorter
17:02 <Louis_Cyphre> : it has breaks
17:02 <DoKoLP> : it has streams
17:02 <Louis_Cyphre> : and it has various 1/1 pattern
17:03 <Louis_Cyphre> : well also up to you, be ready to hear the same from MATs or BATs
17:04 <DoKoLP> :
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/25238217:04 <Louis_Cyphre> : and yes, if any map has a mistake, then does not mean that you should repeat that mistake on your
17:04 <Louis_Cyphre> : map
17:04 <DoKoLP> : what mistake? that map got ranked
17:04 <DoKoLP> : so it shouldn't have any mistakes
17:04 <Louis_Cyphre> : tones of maps are ranked with mistakes
17:04 <Louis_Cyphre> : i have too
17:05 <Louis_Cyphre> : ranked ones with msitakes
17:05 <Louis_Cyphre> : mistakes*
17:06 *Louis_Cyphre is listening to (Masayoshi Minoshima ft. nomico - Bad Apple!!)[http://osu.ppy.sh/s/10435]
17:06 <DoKoLP> : for some people it's a mistake and for some people it isn't
17:06 *Louis_Cyphre is listening to (Serebro - Breath)[http://osu.ppy.sh/s/27782]
17:06 <DoKoLP> : that relative
17:06 <DoKoLP> : *s
17:06 <Louis_Cyphre> : timing issues are mistakes
17:06 <Louis_Cyphre> : aren't they?
17:06 *Louis_Cyphre is listening to Nico Nico Douga - U.N. Owen Was Her?
17:06 <DoKoLP> : sure
17:06 <Louis_Cyphre> :
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/2101017:06 <Louis_Cyphre> : unsnapped notes are mistakes, aren't they?
17:07 <DoKoLP> : now you're picking out some old maps
17:07 <DoKoLP> : ... years ago there aren't such rules like these days
17:07 <Louis_Cyphre> : Serebro - Breath is not really so old
17:07 *DoKoLP is listening to (Blind Stare - Shotgun Symphony+)[http://osu.ppy.sh/s/7671]
17:07 <DoKoLP> : such maps got ranked
17:07 <Louis_Cyphre> : years ago such things like timing and unsnapped notes WERE and ARE issues
17:08 <Louis_Cyphre> : and what if it is ranked/approved, is it really so cool that i has mistakes?
17:08 <Louis_Cyphre> : Or you're just mapping a map JUST to get it ranked?
17:08 <DoKoLP> : does my map has any real mistakes?!
17:08 <Louis_Cyphre> : offset issue for example
17:08 <DoKoLP> : is a missing break such a big mistake?!
17:08 <DoKoLP> : offset
17:08 <DoKoLP> : yea
17:08 <Louis_Cyphre> : of course
17:08 <DoKoLP> : this can be fixed
17:09 <Louis_Cyphre> : break stuff is not really a mistake, it's just weird
17:09 <Louis_Cyphre> : really weird
17:09 <DoKoLP> : show me that rule which says breaks must be included a map
17:09 <Louis_Cyphre> : man, if it makes a map suck, then logically it should be fixed
17:09 <DoKoLP> : you're the only one that complains about the break time
17:10 <DoKoLP> : *who
17:10 <Louis_Cyphre> : Use breaks where possible. Even if they are only 5-10 seconds, it allows a bit of recovery and hand
17:10 <Louis_Cyphre> : repositioning for players. However, try to avoid longer breaks that are in excess of 15 seconds. Breaks
17:10 <Louis_Cyphre> : should especially be used with Easy/Normal difficulties.
17:10 <DoKoLP> : yea and there is no break possible
17:10 <Louis_Cyphre> : ' it allows a bit of recovery and hand repositioning for players. '
17:10 <DoKoLP> : "even if they are only 5-10 seconds"
17:11 <DoKoLP> : swan lake has 1 second break
17:11 <DoKoLP> : you can't call that a real break
17:11 <Louis_Cyphre> : Adjust your map to the guidelines, dont adjust the guidelines to your map
17:11 <Louis_Cyphre> : wise words
17:11 <DoKoLP> : i did use breaks where possible
17:11 <DoKoLP> :
17:12 <Louis_Cyphre> : you didn't do anything
17:12 <DoKoLP> : that's it
17:12 <DoKoLP> : there are no breaks possible
17:12 <DoKoLP> : the beginning is like a big break
17:12 <Louis_Cyphre> : 02:03:529 0
17:12 <Louis_Cyphre> : 02:03:529 -
17:12 *DoKoLP is editing (LEAF XCEED Music Division - Fur Elise)[http://osu.ppy.sh/s/23916]
17:12 <Louis_Cyphre> : 01:54:705 -
17:12 <DoKoLP> : you didn't use any breaks in here as well
17:12 <Louis_Cyphre> : nice break time
17:13 <Louis_Cyphre> : i didn't, yes, and the map sucks
17:13 <DoKoLP> : i don't think so
17:13 <DoKoLP> : i like that map
17:14 <DoKoLP> : even there is no break
17:14 <Louis_Cyphre> : but it makes gamplay annoying when it's up to the end
17:14 <DoKoLP> : not at all
17:15 <Louis_Cyphre> : not at all maybe for you
17:15 <Louis_Cyphre> : but for example for me yes
17:15 <DoKoLP> : not at all maybe for almost all the players rank 10000+
17:15 <DoKoLP> : you aren't even able to play such maps
17:15 <Louis_Cyphre> : so actually other players aren't players, right?
17:15 <DoKoLP> : how will you know it's hard without breaks?
17:16 <Louis_Cyphre> : btw
17:16 <Louis_Cyphre> : it has slowdown
17:16 <Louis_Cyphre> : big slowdown
17:16 <DoKoLP> : x0,75
17:16 <Louis_Cyphre> : and bpm is 185
17:16 <Louis_Cyphre> : 0,5x
17:16 <Louis_Cyphre> : don't judge according to slider velocity change
17:17 <DoKoLP> : why x0,5?
17:17 <Louis_Cyphre> : 01:18:234 (1) -
17:17 <DoKoLP> : why not x0,75
17:17 <Louis_Cyphre> : because 1/1
17:17 <DoKoLP> : and what does the slider velocity have to do with that?
17:17 <Louis_Cyphre> : have to do with what
17:17 <Louis_Cyphre> : it's just slider speed
17:18 <DoKoLP> : wit that slowdown
17:18 <Louis_Cyphre> : it just slowdowns slider speed
17:19 *Louis_Cyphre is editing (Kucchy vs Akky - Yakumo ~ JOINT STRUGGLE)[http://osu.ppy.sh/s/12909]
17:19 <Louis_Cyphre> : guess why this one is hard as hell
17:19 <DoKoLP> : because it'S full of streams
17:19 <Louis_Cyphre> : and because it does not have any breaks
17:19 <Louis_Cyphre> : even for 1 second
17:20 <Louis_Cyphre> : constant 1/4
17:20 <DoKoLP> : i couldn't beat that even with breaks
17:20 *DoKoLP is editing (xi - Ascension to Heaven)[http://osu.ppy.sh/s/34348]
17:20 <DoKoLP> : this one got breaks
17:20 <Louis_Cyphre> : 200 bpm
17:20 <DoKoLP> : yea
17:20 <Louis_Cyphre> : and it's longer
17:20 <DoKoLP> : 200 bpm
17:20 <Louis_Cyphre> : then this one
17:20 *Louis_Cyphre is editing (Kucchy vs Akky - Yakumo ~ JOINT STRUGGLE)[http://osu.ppy.sh/s/12909]
17:20 <DoKoLP> : 1/4
17:21 <DoKoLP> : and i can't beat that map as well
17:21 <Louis_Cyphre> : can you beat your own map/
17:21 <Louis_Cyphre> : ?
17:21 <DoKoLP> : of course i can
17:21 <DoKoLP> : because it isn't that hard
17:22 <DoKoLP> : it's like 136 bpm 1/4 streams
17:22 <Louis_Cyphre> : then show me
17:22 <DoKoLP> : not warmed up yet, but okay
17:22 <DoKoLP> : shouldn't be a problem
17:22 <Louis_Cyphre> : go go
17:25 <DoKoLP> : so i passed it...
17:26 <Louis_Cyphre> : 5 misses in a row
17:26 <DoKoLP> : wow.
17:26 <Louis_Cyphre> : at the end, wasn't it tough to play?
17:26 <DoKoLP> : i was just unlucky at the beginning
17:26 <Louis_Cyphre> : at the end, wasn't it tough to play? x2
17:27 <DoKoLP> : not at all
17:27 <DoKoLP> : from beginning the end the same "toughness"
17:27 <Louis_Cyphre> : then it was a bit tough at the beginnig
17:27 <Louis_Cyphre> : beginning*
17:28 <DoKoLP> : i don't think so. but okay
17:28 <Louis_Cyphre> : offset about +23
17:29 <DoKoLP> : which one
17:29 <DoKoLP> : both?
17:29 <Louis_Cyphre> : they are same
17:29 <Louis_Cyphre> : just doubled
17:30 <Louis_Cyphre> : on second and on first
17:30 <Louis_Cyphre> : but wait
17:31 <Louis_Cyphre> : second one
17:31 <Louis_Cyphre> : 63544
17:31 <Louis_Cyphre> : second one
17:32 <Louis_Cyphre> : don't forget to resnap all notes, check sliders, fix kiai section and green sections
17:32 <Louis_Cyphre> : etc etc etc
17:33 <DoKoLP> : done
17:34 <Louis_Cyphre> : well that's it
17:36 <DoKoLP> : k thanks.
17:36 <DoKoLP> : update :3
17:36 <Louis_Cyphre> : ~
17:37 <DoKoLP> : k up to your map
17:37 <DoKoLP> : tags
17:37 <DoKoLP> : bmth isn' heavy metal
17:37 <DoKoLP> : it's deathcore and metalcore
17:37 <Louis_Cyphre> : it's heavy metal too
17:38 <Louis_Cyphre> : at least most people thinkgs like that
17:38 <DoKoLP> : yea. and they are thinking wrong
17:38 <DoKoLP> : most people think metal = heavy metal
17:39 <DoKoLP> : because they just don't know what kind of metal exist
17:39 <Louis_Cyphre> : tags are made to make search option easier
17:39 <Louis_Cyphre> : so if some guys think it's heavy metal, then they type heavy metal
17:39 <DoKoLP> : kk.
17:39 <Louis_Cyphre> : so nvm it
17:46 <DoKoLP> : 00:27:636 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) -
17:46 <DoKoLP> : i just can't read that
17:46 <DoKoLP> : it's almost impossibru
17:47 <DoKoLP> : AR 10 would be better imo
17:47 <DoKoLP> : with ar 10 i could read it
17:48 <Louis_Cyphre> : :O
17:48 <Louis_Cyphre> : it was AR10 before
17:49 <DoKoLP> : osu crashed... what did you write?
17:49 <Louis_Cyphre> : it was AR10 before
17:49 <Louis_Cyphre> : :O
17:49 <DoKoLP> : AR10 is better imo
17:49 <Louis_Cyphre> : secc
17:50 <Louis_Cyphre> : set ar10
17:50 <Louis_Cyphre> : and play it
17:50 *DoKoLP is playing (Bring Me The Horizon - The Comedown)[http://osu.ppy.sh/s/44746] [Lucifer] -NoFail
17:50 <Louis_Cyphre> : go
17:50 <Louis_Cyphre> : update, set ar10 and try
17:51 <DoKoLP> : i did...
17:51 <Louis_Cyphre> : wait
17:51 <Louis_Cyphre> : go
17:55 <DoKoLP> : i'm not the best AR10 player
17:55 <DoKoLP> : lol
17:55 <Louis_Cyphre> : hmm
17:55 <Louis_Cyphre> : and now update
17:55 <Louis_Cyphre> : and try with ar9 please
17:57 <DoKoLP> : it's easier for me
17:57 <DoKoLP> : but that one part
17:57 <DoKoLP> : i pointed out
17:57 <DoKoLP> : is pretty hard to read
18:00 <DoKoLP> : i'm not sure with this <,<
18:00 <DoKoLP> : AR 10.. AR 9
18:00 <DoKoLP> : don't know
18:00 <Louis_Cyphre> : AR9 man
18:00 <Louis_Cyphre> : AR9
18:00 <DoKoLP> : you should keep in mind that i suck at AR10
18:00 <DoKoLP> : but probably most of the players do
18:00 <DoKoLP> : but you should really change that part
18:00 <DoKoLP> : 00:27:636 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) -
18:01 <Louis_Cyphre> : before you i asked some pro's to play on AR10
18:01 <Louis_Cyphre> : result was same as now
18:01 <DoKoLP> : i play like pros <3
18:01 <Louis_Cyphre> : what's wrong with that?
18:01 <DoKoLP> : it's hard to read
18:01 <DoKoLP> : because of those stacked notes
18:01 <Louis_Cyphre> : down, right, left
18:01 <Louis_Cyphre> : that's all
18:02 <Louis_Cyphre> : i'll keep in my mind
18:02 <Louis_Cyphre> : that
18:03 <DoKoLP> : 01:31:292 (6) -
18:03 <DoKoLP> : that speed up is so awkward
18:03 <Louis_Cyphre> : bullshit slider
18:03 <Louis_Cyphre> : you don't like?
18:03 <DoKoLP> : not at all
18:03 <Louis_Cyphre> : it fits with lyrics and vocal
18:03 <DoKoLP> : randomly from x1,0 to x2,0
18:04 <Louis_Cyphre> : it fits with lyrics and vocal x2
18:04 <DoKoLP> : but it's hard as fuck
18:04 <Louis_Cyphre> : just up and down
18:04 <Louis_Cyphre> : :3
18:04 <DoKoLP> : just up and down...
18:04 <DoKoLP> : sure
18:04 <DoKoLP> : but that speed is what makes it difficult
18:04 <DoKoLP> : ur SV is already 3,00
18:05 <DoKoLP> : and that 1 slider with x2,00 is hard
18:05 <DoKoLP> : when you play that whole map with x1,00
18:05 <Louis_Cyphre> : as you see shape of that slider and that final slider tick are pretty enough to count as warning of 2x spee
18:05 <Louis_Cyphre> : d
18:06 <DoKoLP> : since when is as slidershape showing that slider velocity is x2,00?
18:06 <DoKoLP> : *a slidershape
18:07 <DoKoLP> : nevermind.
18:07 <DoKoLP> : it's just my opinion
18:07 <DoKoLP> : :3
18:07 <DoKoLP> : and this is hard as fuck as well
18:07 <DoKoLP> : 01:33:634 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) -
18:08 <DoKoLP> : i always missed here
18:08 <DoKoLP> : don't knoe if it's good to let it as it is now
18:10 <Louis_Cyphre> : what with that?
18:11 <DoKoLP> : it's hard to react
18:11 <DoKoLP> : first that spaced stream
18:11 <Louis_Cyphre> : oh yea
18:11 <DoKoLP> : and then it goes like "WTF 1/4 sliders all the way"
18:11 <Louis_Cyphre> : yea-yea
18:12 <DoKoLP> : 00:20:026 (2) -
18:12 <DoKoLP> : inherited point makes no change here
18:13 <Louis_Cyphre> : hitsounds
18:13 <DoKoLP> : 00:20:319 (1) -
18:13 <Louis_Cyphre> : hitsounds
18:13 <DoKoLP> : hitsounds are C1
18:13 <DoKoLP> : in both inherited points
18:14 <Louis_Cyphre> : sec
18:14 <Louis_Cyphre> : then it's just a marker
18:14 <DoKoLP> : marker?
18:14 <DoKoLP> : 00:46:142 (4) -
18:15 <DoKoLP> : this one makes no change as well
18:15 <Louis_Cyphre> : very true
18:15 <Louis_Cyphre> : deleted
18:16 <DoKoLP> : 03:14:483 (1) -
18:16 <DoKoLP> : same here
18:16 <Louis_Cyphre> : very true
18:16 <Louis_Cyphre> : deleted
18:16 <DoKoLP> : that's all i guess
18:17 <Louis_Cyphre> : O_o
18:17 <Louis_Cyphre> : timing is good?
18:17 <DoKoLP> : i suck at timinig
18:17 <DoKoLP> : *timing
18:17 <Louis_Cyphre> : when you played it
18:17 <Louis_Cyphre> : was that good?
18:18 <DoKoLP> : it felt kinda off
18:18 <Louis_Cyphre> : which parts
18:18 <DoKoLP> : first part
18:18 <DoKoLP> : like 5-7ms late
18:18 <Louis_Cyphre> : you had 100's because of high OD
18:20 <DoKoLP> : you're right
18:20 <DoKoLP> : okay. offset is good imo
18:20 <Louis_Cyphre> : and what aboutbpm?
18:20 <DoKoLP> : i really have no experience with timing.
18:21 <DoKoLP> : i have problems with more than 1 timing section
18:21 <DoKoLP> : if they're different
18:22 <Louis_Cyphre> : they are damn different there
18:22 <DoKoLP> : i know
18:22 <DoKoLP> : that's why i can't help you there.
18:22 <DoKoLP> : D:
18:22 <Louis_Cyphre> : k
18:23 <DoKoLP> : i have no experience with more than 1 timing section
18:23 <Louis_Cyphre> : ok-ok
18:23 <Louis_Cyphre> : just leave a log in thread
18:23 <Louis_Cyphre> : and that's it
18:23 <DoKoLP> : how can i save logs?
18:23 <DoKoLP> : never did that. lol
18:24 <Louis_Cyphre> : /savelog
18:24 <DoKoLP> : makes sense
18:24 <Louis_Cyphre> : then osu! folder --> chat
18:24 <DoKoLP> : you can leave a log as well
18:24 <Louis_Cyphre> : yes i can
18:24 <Louis_Cyphre> : but you didn't asked me xD
18:25 <Louis_Cyphre> : ask*
18:25 <DoKoLP> : isn' that usual? xD
18:26 <Louis_Cyphre> : it's needed
